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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 2191169)
It absolutely is not flame-bait in any shape or form. Every airline out there has made concessions. I can't figure out from a cursory glance of the AIP's exactly what concessions SWA made, and neither can you, but every airline out there made concessions. Every one.
What I put up is a statement of fact. Expecting zero concessions is outside the envelope of all recent contracts. I have been reading these boards, and every pilot group highlights their concessions better than you or I can. All of them have concessions to talk about. I suggest you re-read my post. That is exactly what I am talking about. I never said anything about expecting a contract with zero concessions but since you seem to think that I did I will allow you to quote me. Take your time. Hint - you can click on my name and it will bring up every post that I ever made. Please show the one where I say I expect zero concessions. Thanks. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 2191175)
Okay you win. I'll take their scope and 16/3/3/3.
Yep...me too...I agree Doug And I'll take a continually accruing sick bank with no limit like SWA has And No sick verification like SWA has And the Ability to call fatigued and not get hassled and paid for a trip like SWA has And No PBS like SWA I swear some of you...and you know who you are could try to point out holes in a boat built by Jesus himself. Some of your veiled attempts are beyond pathetic. If SWA got a deal that gave them an 18% 401K, and a DOS 40% pay increase, some of you would still find ways to be a Debbie downer |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 2191157)
I'm not being sarcastic, but I am curious how you figure the NMB is ignoring PS.
They don't count it because it's a variable number that can't be predicted...just like they don't account for scope. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 2191181)
That is exactly what I am talking about. I never said anything about expecting a contract with zero concessions but since you seem to think that I did I will allow you to quote me.
Take your time. Hint you click on my name and it will bring up every post that I eve made. Please show the one where I say I expect zero concessions. Any group that expects not to give up anything at all is saying that they are going to do something else no one else has done. We can't simultaneously use the rest of the industry as an example, and not factor in the industry in our discussions. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 2191153)
No airline out there did anything without concessions. If you're holding out for zero concessions, you're totally outside the envelope of what the industry is doing.
So since there ARE gains and concessions, I think you have to know a lot about costing at each airline to evaluate the values of the respective TA's. Glancing at the highlights at SWA, I can't really figure out exactly what they did to their Section1. They say it's better, but don't we all? Ummm...... We just did a 2 yr extension with ...... 0 concession. But I guess UAL isn't in the industry? |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2191186)
They don't count it because it's a variable number that can't be predicted...just like they don't account for scope.
I will agree that there is a bit of confusion as to exactly how to account for it by the various actors. I haven't heard any rumors as to how we, the company, or the NMB are specifically considering it. |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2191147)
you don't get to use profit sharing in the equation....the nmb doesnt.
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
(Post 2191193)
Ummm...... We just did a 2 yr extension with ...... 0 concession. But I guess UAL isn't in the industry?
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
(Post 2191193)
Ummm...... We just did a 2 yr extension with ...... 0 concession. But I guess UAL isn't in the industry?
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 2191197)
Well, I'm no expert on your contract, but I think there were 5 or 6 items the company wanted addressed, one of which was ultra long-haul flying. True, or false?
Yeah, I guess letting the company launch ULH without prior approval of ALPA for all 121 of our airframes that pay 305/hr was a concession. Venture to guess what our most senior flying is????? |
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