Anyone notice that legacy southwest pilots get their "retro," but airtran guys don't get it... Ah, unity!

You have to understand how the NMB looks at the world. In their mind, if several other airlines are signing contracts with pay rates below your demands, then it just further confirms their belief that you're being unreasonable.

Ummmmm.....they didn't??? And they had to contribute to get a company match. This is a big gain for them dude....if they ratify.

Bull$hit. We DID NOT get true full retro.

5.7% is the net gain. That's not a bad number.

When did you transition? I hear the AirTran guys who transitioned later aren't even getting retro for the time on the AirTran side.

Are you really a pilot? FOs making just enough to pay off loans couldn't contribute. They went from 0% to 15% if this passes. Senior guys who max 265k don't have to put in nearly as much because it's close to maxed with 15% now.

Yes for some the TA is only a "net gain" but now everyone can get it no matter their financial position and they don't have to put in a penny of their own money to get it.

In other words that's at least a 15% raise for all above their new TA rates, and at least 5.7 for the rest.

But I'm sure there's a concession in there somewhere if you spin the numbers right........

What was Deltas profit in 2004? 2005? What will it be in 2020? https://ycharts.com/companies/DAL/profit_margin

That is why profit sharing is not considered "fixed" income.

UAL,

Don't worry about those two. When they were children they complained at Christmas even when they got everything from Santa they wanted. They keep all of their "participation" trophies on display. They would find a way to criticize a mathematically perfect circle.

While I am happy with the 15% B-fund, the solid pay raises (I never expected to be the highest paid 737 pilot in the industry in terms of hourly rate nor do I care), the decent retro that includes retirees, deceased, and pilots who lost their medicals, and the fact we retain our scheduling quality of life, sick leave policy, and stiff armed PBS it did come at a cost to us...

That cost is in section 1. We have never allowed any codeshare of any type and now for the first time in the history of southwest we will have our passengers riding on other airlines. Thankfully the language SHOULD be rock solid in terms of the size of the aircraft, the markets served, etc., but we did just giveaway a part of our golden egg.