Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2191148)

I'm in no way vouching for TA1 which was rightfully turned down. This deal ended up right in the ballpark of the 16.5/3/3/3 offer. It kills any hope of 22/7/7.

Originally Posted by FLY6584 (Post 2191271)

While I am happy with the 15% B-fund, the solid pay raises (I never expected to be the highest paid 737 pilot in the industry in terms of hourly rate nor do I care), the decent retro that includes retirees, deceased, and pilots who lost their medicals, and the fact we retain our scheduling quality of life, sick leave policy, and stiff armed PBS it did come at a cost to us...

That cost is in section 1. We have never allowed any codeshare of any type and now for the first time in the history of southwest we will have our passengers riding on other airlines. Thankfully the language SHOULD be rock solid in terms of the size of the aircraft, the markets served, etc., but we did just giveaway a part of our golden egg.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2191119)

I think it would be nice, right about now, for the MEC to put up some charts. We have the whole industry pretty much set. I'd like to see a plot of a DAL 737 vs. SW, and 777 vs. UPS, with and without DC/B-Fund, with and without PS. Compare Delta latest offer, and our own.

I think the industry is sort of coalescing around similar numbers.

It's almost as if these managements talked to each other.

Originally Posted by gowabunga (Post 2191272)

Sweet baby Jesus.........Obviously you don't think you're worth it..... My "slap in the face, take it or leave it" pay cut was 40%. That equates to 22/9/9.......... Now that the company is making billions. ( with a B), I think we deserve it back.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2191282)

ATA
was that not a codeshare?

Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2191266)

Are you really a pilot? FOs making just enough to pay off loans couldn't contribute. They went from 0% to 15% if this passes. Senior guys who max 265k don't have to put in nearly as much because it's close to maxed with 15% now.

Yes for some the TA is only a "net gain" but now everyone can get it no matter their financial position and they don't have to put in a penny of their own money to get it.

In other words that's at least a 15% raise for all above their new TA rates, and at least 5.7 for the rest.

But I'm sure there's a concession in there somewhere if you spin the numbers right........

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2191098)

8/0/3/3 is the same as 4/4/3/3.

Anyways that's all theoretical.

Bottom line, SWA and UPS type 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 deals will not help our case in the eyes of the NMB to get anywhere remotely close to 22/7/7. It'll be a win if we can get the rumored 18/4/4.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2191283)

What percentage of DAL pilots do you think are interested in 777 rates for a contract that will be renegotiated in 3 years? Biggest question, because they honestly are irrelevant to me and all of my buddies.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 2191175)

Okay you win. I'll take their scope and 16/3/3/3. Oh, and their vacation too. And their FAs max duty day of 10.5 hours.