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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2192431)
It isn't a question of where you can go, it is a question of what you can do for yourself. If you are always looking at options that involve working for money, you will end up on the losing end. Using your 2x4 captain income to acquire assets that work for you is the best route. It takes time, which this job provides. Doing something on your own, rather than relying on the benevolence of Ed will be liberating.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2192371)
Interesting. As a 2X4 captain, where can you go today and make the kind of coin you are pulling down with the time off etc etc etc?
Didn't say I was off the reservation for good, 2yrs to go. During bankruptcy, I urged anyone that would listen to use the talent that got them where they are to start a business or dive into something that would interest them and also make them money. Worked for me, starting an intl company with partners after angel investing since the mid nineties. Also, I've played a lot of golf with some dumbsh** sales guys and business owners that made just enough mistakes to find their right niche to make a comfortable life for themselves... oh and have their own 'retirement'. Granted it's work that sometimes seems never ending, that's why you have to be interested, imo. Utilizing 'time off', one of the sacred parts of this job, many are pursuing other endeavors. If dal and dalpa are not providing what is perceived as market value, the natural flow would be inevitable. To me, being a more productive pilot is code for 'chain both your hands to that bloody oar'. Compensate me or I'll compensate myself. |
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2192439)
I'm convinced one of the reasons that Ed is seeking so many productivity concessions is to stifle our efforts outside of Delta. As a group, our work ethic, motivation and ability to assess risk provides us great opportunity outside of the profession. Many of us make more outside of Delta that we do working for Delta. Productivity concessions that limit our time for income and asset growth outside of Delta makes it easier for Ed and his minions to control the pilot group.
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A national seniority list would make us all individual contract employees with a minimum salary negotiated by the union. This is exactly how the Directors Guild of America or any other national seniority list works. Thus we would have to compete with each other for work vs having individual groups bargain collectively. A complete disaster if you ask me.
No, a much better system would be ALPA National becoming a professional standards society like the American Medical Association, and each individual company has its own independent union for collective bargaining. This eliminates the inherent conflict of interest within the organization during the downturns in the industry. It also greatly reduces dues, corruption, and wasteful spending. Also, longevity based pay is a better method of compensation, I'm not convinced it reduces the number of jobs at an airline. Airline staffing usually revolves around management incompetence. |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2192382)
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2192491)
A national seniority list would make us all individual contract employees with a minimum salary negotiated by the union. This is exactly how the Directors Guild of America or any other national seniority list works. Thus we would have to compete with each other for work vs having individual groups bargain collectively. A complete disaster if you ask me.
No, a much better system would be ALPA National becoming a professional standards society like the American Medical Association, and each individual company has its own independent union for collective bargaining. This eliminates the inherent conflict of interest within the organization during the downturns in the industry. It also greatly reduces dues, corruption, and wasteful spending. But, I think you just burned your bridge to an alpa retirement. edit-This dynamic of extracurricular income doesn't seem to fit in with the 'controlling' of the dal pilot group very well. I remember LMoak talking to a few pilots in the ATL lounge during bankruptcy. Someone said 'guys are thinking about going elsewhere', he responded, 'I'm not worried about that, where they gonna go? |
Originally Posted by kobaracing1
(Post 2192496)
If there were a coherent, sensible argument for these changes instead of the unbelievable cartoon blast of propoganda, there might be an opportunity to rid ourselves of some baggage and capitalize on some opportunities.
But, I think you just burned your bridge to an alpa retirement. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2192503)
Oh noes, there goes my $50,000 oil painting of myself.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2192491)
A national seniority list would make us all individual contract employees with a minimum salary negotiated by the union. This is exactly how the Directors Guild of America or any other national seniority list works. Thus we would have to compete with each other for work vs having individual groups bargain collectively. A complete disaster if you ask me.
No, a much better system would be ALPA National becoming a professional standards society like the American Medical Association, and each individual company has its own independent union for collective bargaining. This eliminates the inherent conflict of interest within the organization during the downturns in the industry. It also greatly reduces dues, corruption, and wasteful spending. Also, longevity based pay is a better method of compensation, I'm not convinced it reduces the number of jobs at an airline. Airline staffing usually revolves around management incompetence. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2192491)
ALPA National becoming a professional standards society like the American Medical Association, and each individual company has its own independent union for collective bargaining. This eliminates the inherent conflict of interest within the organization during the downturns in the industry. It also greatly reduces dues, corruption, and wasteful spending.
Originally Posted by kobaracing1
(Post 2192513)
If you can fix this alpa/dalpa relationship, I'll paint your picture... for less than $50,000.
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