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Mesabah 08-31-2016 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2192518)
How does that fit legally with the railway labor act?

It's totally legal to do this as long as ALPA national no longer participates in collective bargaining. ALPA's dirty little secret is it absolutely loves the RLA, which has proven to be harmful to our careers.

Mesabah 08-31-2016 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2192521)
There is no conflict of interest except in the mind's of conspiracy theorists most of whom have never actually tried to lead pilots.

Total BS. The road ALPA takes not to get sued in almost everything it does is the conflict of interest.

Flytolive 08-31-2016 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2192532)
The road ALPA takes not to get sued in almost everything it does is the conflict of interest.

Last I checked we lived in a country that is guided by the rule of law and within that framework unions are obligated to abide by a duty of fair representation of their members.

Mesabah 08-31-2016 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2192540)
Last I checked we lived in a country that is guided by the rule of law and within that framework unions are obligated to abide by a duty of fair representation of their members.

Here is an honest question, if the Southwest - Airtran merger were ALPA - ALPA, instead of SWAPA vs ALPA, would the Airtran pilots have made out better?

kobaracing1 08-31-2016 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2192521)
There is no conflict of interest except in the mind's of conspiracy theorists most of whom have never actually tried to lead pilots.

You guys crack me up. Delta pilots control DALPA and ALPA Int'l, but some of the ALPA haters still want to pretend it is somebody else's fault.

We have seen the enemy and it is us.

Here they come...

Let's see, how much of our dues(and pwa) goes toward propping up and negotiating for connection carriers. Oh, I forgot, we wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the connection carriers.

Flytolive 08-31-2016 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2192546)
Here is an honest question, if the Southwest - Airtran merger were ALPA - ALPA, instead of SWAPA vs ALPA, would the Airtran pilots have made out better?

Yes, because it was a function of Southwest's management's willingness to play chicken and they have come home roost (see TA).

Mesabah 08-31-2016 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2192554)
Yes, because it was a function of Southwest's management's willingness to play chicken and they have come home roost (see TA).

So in other words, some unions are setup to fight, others are setup to be fair. I have no doubt ALPA is probably the fairest organization that exists today in any industry. However, that's not what anyone here wants to pay for, other than those who draw a salary, or non monetary benefits from ALPA. We want a fighter, not a lover.

Flytolive 08-31-2016 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2192558)
So in other words, some unions are setup to fight, others are setup to be fair.

Not sure where you got that. I was referring to Southwest Airlines management not SWAPA.


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2192558)
I have no doubt ALPA is probably the fairest organization that exists today in any industry. However, that's not what anyone here wants to pay for, other than those who draw a salary, or non monetary benefits from ALPA. We want a fighter, not a lover.

Speak for yourself. Your missive demonstrates clearly that in your case the problem is that you simply don't believe in unionism.

kobaracing1 08-31-2016 01:09 PM

Mesabah, you heretic!

What could LMoak be thinking right now? After all the 'maturity' he helped put into your contract that he never had to live with, with that industry leading retirement.

While he enjoys the free time to pursue his business without the threat of more 'productivity', he is surely wondering why you don't respect true 'union leadership'.

My AIPs speak for me. What say you?

Flytolive 08-31-2016 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by kobaracing1 (Post 2192594)
What could LMoak be thinking right now?

My guess is that he is proud of leading the Delta pilots in avoiding a merger with LCC, to industry-leading on-time contracts and identifying and building the support to confront the number one threat to our careers.

Sounds like a job well-done to me.


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