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Old 08-29-2016 | 01:45 PM
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According to Mantooth, Bond, Sailing, Curly and the rest a vote of no confidence or requesting the CEO steps down will result in nothing.

Tell that to the SWA pilots.

Add 11% to their hourly rates for apples to apples due to their TFP. 54 minutes is an hour at SWA.

They have trips touching vacation making it more than double ours.

Their trips average over 6 hours per day vs our 5:15.

Our patience has run out. Either Captain Malone steps up and leads like we know he can or he needs to step down. No more invisible man. No more being led down management's path.

What concessions did the SWA pilots make?

None.

PBS. -- Nyet

Scope -- No

What is wrong with us?

Who asked for a self funding VEBA? No one.

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Old 08-29-2016 | 01:46 PM
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SWA AIP does include code sharing. Which to date is not allowed at SWA according to this article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20160829-as-labor-tensions-simmer-southwest-airlines-and-its-pilots-take-big-step-toward-new-deal.ece
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Old 08-29-2016 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
According to Mantooth, Bond, Sailing, Curly and the rest a vote of no confidence or requesting the CEO steps down will result in nothing.

Tell that to the SWA pilots.

Add 11% to their hourly rates for apples to apples due to their TFP. 54 minutes is an hour at SWA.

They have trips touching vacation making it more than double ours.

Their trips average over 6 hours per day vs our 5:15.

Our patience has run out. Either Captain Malone steps up and leads like we know he can or he needs to step down. No more invisible man. No more being led down management's path.

What concessions did the SWA pilots make?

None.

PBS. -- Nyet

Scope -- No

What is wrong with us?

Who asked for a self funding VEBA? No one.
A 15% raise to their current hourly rate (based on APC numbers) is below our rate adjusted for the company's last offer of 16.5%....
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Old 08-29-2016 | 03:03 PM
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They've had codesharing in the past. For example, the ATA codeshare for all the Hawaii routes.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
According to Mantooth, Bond, Sailing, Curly and the rest a vote of no confidence or requesting the CEO steps down will result in nothing.

Tell that to the SWA pilots.

Add 11% to their hourly rates for apples to apples due to their TFP. 54 minutes is an hour at SWA.

They have trips touching vacation making it more than double ours.

Their trips average over 6 hours per day vs our 5:15.

Our patience has run out. Either Captain Malone steps up and leads like we know he can or he needs to step down. No more invisible man. No more being led down management's path.

What concessions did the SWA pilots make?

None.

PBS. -- Nyet

Scope -- No

What is wrong with us?

Who asked for a self funding VEBA? No one.
Jerry,

Apples to Oranges comparison of contracts compared to ours. (Honest question.) Why do you post this stuff and further degrade your credibility?

The SWA contract (work rules) applied to our manning formula would be a HUUUUGE manning concession on our part. The Company would laugh us out of the negotiating room, and sign a SWA-like manning concession tomorrow.

For crying out loud, at least post something worth standing behind.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 04:30 PM
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From rumors I heard, even Richard didn't want sleepy Ed taking over.....
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Old 08-29-2016 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Hansen
SWA AIP does include code sharing. Which to date is not allowed at SWA according to this article:
Southwest Airlines says deal in place with pilots, ending 4 years of talks | Dallas Morning News
They have had code sharing in the past, sand I do believe they have a deal with Volaris, but it is rarely exercised.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
They've had codesharing in the past. For example, the ATA codeshare for all the Hawaii routes.
And they got chomped, using SWA equipment you would have to swim the last three hundred miles.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
A 15% raise to their current hourly rate (based on APC numbers) is below our rate adjusted for the company's last offer of 16.5%....
Add 11% to convert from their TFP. Their hour is :54 minutes.

They have trips touching vacation. More than double ours.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
Jerry,

Apples to Oranges comparison of contracts compared to ours. (Honest question.) Why do you post this stuff and further degrade your credibility?

The SWA contract (work rules) applied to our manning formula would be a HUUUUGE manning concession on our part. The Company would laugh us out of the negotiating room, and sign a SWA-like manning concession tomorrow.

For crying out loud, at least post something worth standing behind.
They have no PBS and trips touching vacation. :54 minute tfp. Their contract would add 2000 captains at Delta.

Back away from the koolaid.

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