A321 pay rate
 

Where is it?

With the arbitrator. The lowest it will be is the 737-900 rate.

Dragged myself to work... on Labor Day, along with a lot of other fellow workers. Would have been a nice time to get some positive news from labor leadership. Anything positive, other than record profits, executive earnings, and stock buybacks.

At least Valentines Day is on the distant horizon.

contractually they have 60 days, sounds like another grievance for stalling.

So you want us to file a grievance against the arbitrator for not following our contract. Sounds like a very intelligent move!

I should have said (TIC), sorry. I am just pointing out the decision is over due. I want to know where that dot is because market rate for a large narrow body, which is Delta's sweet spot, will affect the negotiations. I think it isn't going to come unless we are parked. I also think that is intentional. JMHO

At the C44 meeting they said there was a 4 month delay from starting the process, until the arbitrator was available. Gubment backlog!

Hearing to decision is supposed to be 60 days. The late start has nothing to do with it.

Where is the MD88/90 pay rate? Time for parity with Airbus 319/20.

^^^totally agree^^^

The rate of pay for different airframes makes absolutely no sense. Seriously needs correcting.
747 = A350
777 = A330
737 = A320
ALL DC-9 variants (MD-88/717/MD-90) should be same rate, and probably at the A320/737 scale. Gotta' be a story here as to how messed up our pay system became.

Maybe we can pay band like UAL and AA as James Bond has put forth numerous times. We started losing the logic of pay rates in C2K when we followed UAL and combined the 757/767 into one rate but yet retained different rates for the MD88 and MD90. It would be nice to get a higher percentage of our pilots at the highest pay scale...preferably by buying more big metal but recent history has shown that is not likely to happen so we might as well pay band up.

Of course, enacting paybanding would be a concession in the eyes of the 10% "absolutely no" crowd because pay banding would likely reduce some training/AE movement...so I guess it will never pass.

Besides the 75/76 banding while the MD88/MD90 paid different rates, there was a short time when our 10 737-700s paid significantly less than the -800 which was interesting. I gave up trying to figure it out 15 years ago. Didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. 😊

or how about:
2 aisles: 777
1 aisle: 757

I have an even better idea.

go on......

3...2...1...lbp ;)

Don't provoke him!

There's zero chance it will be our current 737-900 rate unless there's some Cayman/Suisse accounts somewhere getting huge transfers. Even then it would be hard to do.

There's no way an arbitrator will ignore the 15-20% premium our direct peers already get and somehow index the rate to our already lagging horribly expired pay tables.

Look for another "Delta dot" at least indexed to UAL's (etc) current rates with zero concessions.

Yup. Tick-tock. Now its too late for this weeks negotiating also.

^^^This my friend, if you'll pardon the pun, is a capital idea^^^

Go ahead, this is amazing stuff.

That could have some interesting AE effects if negotiations go on for years.

Call your reps and make some noise. Where's the rate?

#321deltadot

Lots of rotations with landings in DCA and LGA in the Oct bid pack. 757 size loads with 1/2 the brakes into short runways, what could go wrong?

Really.... You ain't seen nothing until you've seen a L-1011 doing the Expressway visual.

Omar

The 88 acars/landing calculator, (whatever it's called), pretty much says the 88 cannot land at LGA, EVER!~

Yet it's done 200 times a day!:eek:

You'll get used to it!:D

Or the 767-400! Even the 767-300 was fun with a full load!

Trivia item. One of the big reasons Delta bought the 767-400 over the A330 was the 400 could go into LGA. Have not seen one there in years. Oh well!

I called my rep and demanded that they call the arbitrator on Monday and tell him to get off his ass and publish the rate or else! Rep thinks that's not a smart thing to do but what does he know!

It's a contractual limit, 60 days. There is no discretion. Unless he wants to hold up retro check for Airbi reservists.

Agreed. After 60 days, I think the parking brake on the 321 should remain set until there's a pay rate.

So that forces the arbitrator to make a immediate decision. I am sure he will be very favorable to us!

Immediate? 60 days. Was the arbitrator not informed of our framework?

What? Who ever said anything about forcing the arbitrator's hand? Don't put words in my mouth, or my forum comment for what that's worth, to support your opinion.

It's pretty simple.

"No pay rate" (after the 60 day decision deadline) "No fly aircraft" (No drama, no emotion, no politics.) Metal doesn't move until there's a pay rate to fly it.

He's had 60 days. How does that equate to immediate? How much more does he need? As much time as he wants? Good thing it was in the contract.

First off I don't think you can park the aircraft. You would have to file a grievance. If however we could park the aircraft the company will of course go to the arbitrator and inform him what has happened and ask for a immediate decision. I suspect he would give us the A320 rate at that point. No one is out anything. When he makes his award there will be full retro. Let's try and act like we have two touching brain cells!

I'm still not sure where the term 'immediate' is coming from. Has he had 60 days or not? It doesn't take me 60 days to make many decisions, and this one really isn't that hard unless you are a brain dead bureaucrat or presidential candidate

Are you defending the delay? I think both parties want this settled, what's the problem with requesting the decision? I assumed the negotiations were the priority and focus but that doesn't involve the arbitrator. Am I out of line requesting the decision, distant brain cells and all? That data point will surely affect our situation going forward. Next will be the A350, then the CS100 are we supposed to expect the same? How about the A330-900neo?

The arbitration is not bound by our contract.

Yes it is.

3.E.3. If such negotiations do not result in agreement executed within 90 days from the date of the parties first meeting, either party may submit the dispute to expedited final and binding interest arbitration before a Five Member System Board of Adjustment under Section 19. The award of the Five Member System Board of Adjustment must be rendered within 60 days following submission of the dispute unless the parties agree otherwise.

You can't ever bind a third party not involved in a negotiation. I meant to say arbitrator. The arbitrator is not bound by our contract. The company showed up as did Dalpa and met all timelines. We await the arbitrators decision and he is not under any obligation from our contract. DALPA pointed this out in a recent communication.