DAL MD88 FO:

No MD88 openings? I'm not sure I understand the information you posted.

Why is the 767 not a popular choice? Is it just the movement and openings created by the International expansion, or the relief crewmember issue?

and most importantly, how long to bid back to Atlanta on anything?

Thank you - exciting times trying to plan on my first year at Delta. Waiting on the class date call, wish it would come sooner rather than later.

P.S. 1,600 ASA ground personnel just came over with a 6/1 date of hire. Do you know if the DOH for pass benefits is the day of the "Conditional Offer" letter or sometime during indoc? It would be nice if DCI pilots could get the same deal the rampers got.

There were 120 new hire positions in ATL on the 88 on the last bid. As we get the AA/TWA 757's, that number will only grow. Go to APC and look at the number of aircraft we are receiving. They are all EXPANSION aircraft. Not replacement.

The 767 is a great aircraft, however, being jr. on a sr. aircraft sucks ... and you could expect to be jr. for years. You would have to commute for reserve in NY or ATL which means sitting in a crash pad with ten of your best friends.

Not long. We just had a bid come out with 120 new hire f/os on the 88, and I believe it was 42 f/o's on the 800. It will not take long, HOWEVER, I believe that many new hires will get the ER or 75/76 in NY.

I didn't post the given new hire aircraft. NYC MD-88 is a given and ATL MD-88 is pretty much a given. With the shortage in the NYC 7er category it will not surprise me if they walk into a couple of classes and assign all to the NYC ER. Passes are based on DOH when you actually start at Delta not conditional hire letter date.

So as a new hire how many days away from home can one expect a month sitting reserves and commuting? What does a typical reserve schedule look like?

I appreciate all the info coming out, just trying to get an idea what expect once I start.


Thanks

You can expect 12 days off per month. You usually get a four day block off with two three days, and maybe a two day. Or two four days, and some other combination. You can commute. If you get released from reserve on your last day of reserve you can get home on your last day of reserve. Good luck. I'm sure others will chime in.

Tom

The lastest rumor is the seat lock on several aircraft will be released to help releave the 767ER problem. Guess management or union don't know which are not that happy about new hires flying ER.

Anyone know if new hires are able to hold line on the ER NYC?

Thanks for the info....

IMHO, new hires will not be able to hold a line for some time. Things, however, are very dynamic. Whatever advice you receive today may not be valid six months from now. A new bid came out today for nearly sixty ER f/o's in NY and six E/R f/o's in the ATL. There was also a bid for roughly fifty domestic 76 f/o's in ATL. The lines expand in the summer, so a guy might be able to hold a line in the summers only.

What we tell you today could be null and void tomorrow. There is one other factor to think about. Some pilots went back on active duty and leave of absence. As they return over the years, you will experience a slight 'reversal' in seniority. With the projected new hires, this will be negligible.


Tom

so what is the base breakdown these days? how big is dtw? msp? the dc9 vs the 320 vs maybe the atl 80?

ATL is going super senior due to the displacements and NWA folks that commuted THROUGH it to the other bases..not all the NWA folks are bidding into ATL..some. The ATL guys on the 76-500 bid down, while a few chased the iron.

I am a Mar 2001 hire and am 1/2 way up the -88 list in ATL. Can hold a bottom line on a 73-800 during the summer...not winter...and that is it. Give's you an idea about ATL.

MSP and DTW are the most junior of the FNWA bases....NYC is the most junior FDAL base.

This latest bid spread the wealth out....looks like bases got more senior and the junior guys got spread out.

How about MSP? Is that going very junior? And if so what is the best airplane to bid to work on if all you care about is schedule (getting holidays off as soon as possible after getting hired)? MD88? DC9?

MSP has recently become very junior. The last AE had around 60 unfilled positions on the MD88/90 that will eventually be filled by new hires. The DC-9 is now a fairly small fleet and seems to be more senior than the MD88 at least on the FO side. Things can change but right now, you might hold a line quicker on the 88, as odd as that seems.

so there is the 88 in msp? how about dtw? any word on where the openings will be for the new hires?

Looks like MSP will be the most junior base other than NYC 88 which will always win that prize. The 88 will be your ticket to better QOL faster. With the -9 category shrinking and closing within a couple of years it will probably go more senior than the 88 and will be a much smaller category.

Yes, they moved the MD88/MD90 base from SLC to MSP (and opened up an A320 base in SLC) a few months back. There is no MD88 base in DTW. As for new hires, the rumor is MD88 in MSP and NYC and A320 in MSP and DTW (and probably a few DC9 slots in MSP and DTW).

No 88 in DTW. Most newhires will probably see NYC 88, MSP 88, MSP 320, and a few DTW 320 and ATL 88 slots. With the shrinkage in CVG I don't think you'll see anything there for newhires and nothing out West for awhile although the SLC 320 category had some very junior guys on this last bid. I'm sure those guys will get kicked back to MSP when they convert the 767 category on this next bid.

thanks a ton guys, msp sounds like the junior place. anyone know how seniority in class is assigned?

Last I heard it was by the last 4 of the SSN

Correct...with 9999 being the most senior.

I always thought the SSN number thing was stupid. Why not just put us in order as to how we scored throughout the interview and testing?

I'm not seeing any mention of CVG. Is it a non-player, and if so is it closing, or just stagnant?

Stagnant, to say the least. No closure announcement but it has been drawn down dramatically over the last two years. MB a CVG guy can chime in. I'm just basing it on what I see when I transit there....which used to be a lot, and now almost not at all.

Everyone seems to think the next AE will be a decent sized one. If it's anything like the last one, I'll bet you won't see very many if any guys bumped off.

Denny

was based in CVG for 18 months. They keep promising to not close the base, however they just displaced all of the ER guys. Many went to DTW or other ER bases but most pushed down kicking folks off the 73 and 88. Most folks based in CVG live there so they don't want to commute. The easiest base most were looking at before I left was DTW, but now that commute will probably be by car since so many folks moved there and Commair has apparently started a lot of flying out of there as well -can't remember if they moved a base there ala JFK or if was a rumor of a base.

I think the writing is on the wall that CVG will go away soon as a base. I think we're down to 20 flights a day on mainline and the 88 guys I know are starting trips with a DH.

Read you PWA. It is contractual. 20B.2.a and b

Seniority numbers will be assigned to individuals on the first day of their new-hire
training in the following order:
a. Company transferees will be assigned the lowest seniority numbers within the class,
in order of their most recent date of employment with the Company, then
b. New-hires will be assigned seniority numbers on the basis of the last four digits of
each individual’s social security number. Individuals with the higher numbers will be
assigned the lowest seniority numbers.
Note: New-hires with identical last four digits of their social security numbers, and
transferees with identical employment dates, will determine their relative placement by
drawing numbers

they don't do it by age? Interesting..............

This was added a while ago.

CVG is not going away on the September bid... But ...

Used to be age Ferd but they switched to the SSN thing sometime after the 2001 hiring process. Seems they were concerned about the legality of giving guys assignments based on age.

Yeah, we did it by age...............I liked it a lot:D

Da^^n lawyers :rolleyes:

Ferd,

Check your PM's, please. :)

Yep, not Sept, but given the way things are going I cannot see it here in a year. Stinks but DAL has been closing bases for quite some time now.

I was the oldest guy in my class AND had the highest last four of the SSN. Got me an 88.:rolleyes:

ipso facto libertarium mea culpa dominei?

shalom.

Probably not in most bases, but the 767 converting to 7ER in SLC will boot some fellas out of the base unless they really grow the numbers in the ER category. Alot of SLC guys commute to LAX and even ATL to do ER flying and I'd bet a some of those will come back. Also it will be an open bid for anyone allowing the fNWA guys who want into SLC on the 7ER to get there. Not all of them have gotten in because there were no vacancies in the 767 on the last two bids. I'll stick to my prediction that some of the junior 320 guys will get displaced as guys trickle down through the categories when guys come into the base with the 7ER bid. Hopefully I'm very wrong.

Yeah, DAL did it by age in 1987, too. I didn't like it then, because I was 28 years old, and was junior to most of the class. I'm beginning to get over it now, though...

I'm guessing that the DC9 is about 3/4 the size of a A320... but that is just a guess. :D

It's a Boeing or I ain't going.

What are you, new?
 

Please define AE?

88s
 

Thanks for the good info fellas. I hear good things related to the 88 and QOL. What about holding ATL on the 88 as an FO? Would that take years? Is there a quickest way to ATL? Now that I got the hard part done, there's a lot to figure out. BTW, I heard the SSN was from high to low now, anyone know true or false? Looking forward to pushing up everyones seniority!

You are worrying about this -get me to ATL- thing wayyy too soon.

There are many guys stuck in NYC who have been there for years, on the bottom. They are ahead of you, they will get back to ATL before you, so don't sweat it.

You'll have plenty of time to figure it out when you get out of school and hit the line. That's when you should start asking questions of the other pilots you fly with, they can fill you in.

Welcome aboard, it's been too long since DAL did any hiring, we are all glad to see that again. I hope it continues but it sounds like they have already shut it down?