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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
What is your retirement year?
How is that relevant to anything? Does it make you feel better throwing him under the bus knowing he only has a few years left?
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
How is that relevant to anything? Does it make you feel better throwing him under the bus knowing he only has a few years left?
No....I'm just curious. Our calculators aren't in sync and I would like to figure out why. That's the only variable I can think of.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
No....I'm just curious. Our calculators aren't in sync and I would like to figure out why. That's the only variable I can think of.
Sorry for the snark. I get the feeling that some of the "QOLers" on here have zero problem throwing the deadzoners under the bus so they don't have to get a doctor's note.

No.

Problem.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:21 PM
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Yeah, that's why we are stuck in the mud James...a doctor's note.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Sorry for the snark. I get the feeling that some of the "QOLers" on here have zero problem throwing the deadzoners under the bus so they don't have to get a doctor's note.

No.

Problem.
Just like they (you?) would throw the young guys under the bus for an extra 16%ish. I get it, I understand it. But hopefully there are more of us than you. Please stop griping about this when your crowd is doing the same thing. Let's all be honest with each other eh?

It's more than just a doctors note but you know that. It's about setting the right precedent when the company is making ****ing billions. Come on dude
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanker1497
Yeah, that's why we are stuck in the mud James...a doctor's note.
One of the reasons. If I felt like proving the point that you know is true, I'd go back and quote all the "I'm voting no because of the sick leave" posts.

That's not the point of the post though Tank. The point is that those with the most time to recover are going to throw the deadzoners right under the bus and feel great about doing so yet get all incensed if one of said deadzoners refers to a good deal money wise.

Unity.

Selfishness is not a big part of that concept.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
One of the reasons. If I felt like proving the point that you know is true, I'd go back and quote all the "I'm voting no because of the sick leave" posts.

That's not the point of the post though Tank. The point is that those with the most time to recover are going to throw the deadzoners right under the bus and feel great about doing so yet get all incensed if one of said deadzoners refers to a good deal money wise.

Unity.

Selfishness is not a big part of that concept.
Right on cue, MR Selfish in the flesh.

Originally Posted by deadseal
Just like they (you?) would throw the young guys under the bus for an extra 16%ish. I get it, I understand it. But hopefully there are more of us than you. Please stop griping about this when your crowd is doing the same thing. Let's all be honest with each other eh?

It's more than just a doctors note but you know that. It's about setting the right precedent when the company is making ****ing billions. Come on dude
No stud. I have my pushbutton issues as well. And my pushbutton issues are ones that will keep YOU from being screwed. But you don't GAS about that do you? You aren't even remotely interested in compromise. It's your way or the highway. I am not that selfish.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
Sure, Ted. Valid question.

In any negotiation (like today's), Delta is not going to agree to pay us drastically above the market in total compensation (rates, work rules, PS, retirement, etc.). Further, the NMB is going to factor all of those things when they determine the "zone of reasonableness."

It's almost as if we negotiate a big pie with the company, and we get to decide how to slice it up. The size of the pie will stay the same regardless of how we label the slices.

The idea that PS payments are somehow hidden is just not realistic. The current negotiations prove that.
I think the pie got bigger over last year. Right?
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I think the pie got bigger over last year. Right?
Has it? Did we get a pay increase that I have not heard about?

It' s like the stock market. You haven't made money until you sell. We haven't sold.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
I'll buy that. Any way we can convert "maybe" compensation to "definitely" compensation (in whatever form) is fine with me.
Yes, bring ALL Delta brand flying to Delta pilots. End all outsourcing completely.
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