View Poll Results: Would you vote to ratify the hypothetical TA?
Yes, would vote to ratify
78
27.96%
No, would vote not to ratify
201
72.04%
Voters: 279. You may not vote on this poll
Possible TA?
09-23-2016, 09:07 AM
#221
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 762
Originally Posted by JamesBond
Thus endeth retro pay.
You tell the company we want full retro, do not touch our PS and fix some of the AIP's. Do Not give any International scope. Make us Industry leading. Hold firm.
09-23-2016, 09:12 AM
#222
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by Express pilot
SWA got 3 years retro I believe. Why can't we get retro if we wait?
You tell the company we want full retro, do not touch our PS and fix some of the AIP's. Do Not give any International scope. Make us Industry leading. Hold firm.
You tell the company we want full retro, do not touch our PS and fix some of the AIP's. Do Not give any International scope. Make us Industry leading. Hold firm.
The entire rest of your post is a nice wish list, but why don't you tell your reps or the negotiators that is your wish?
09-23-2016, 09:15 AM
#223
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,042
Originally Posted by JamesBond
SWA did not get 3 years retro when year 1 was an 18% increase. Do the math. If we go 3 years, and year 1 is an 18% increase, do you seriously think they are going to pay us 18%/year for 3 years in retro pay? Seriously?
The entire rest of your post is a nice wish list, but why don't you tell your reps or the negotiators that is your wish?
The entire rest of your post is a nice wish list, but why don't you tell your reps or the negotiators that is your wish?
Still waiting to be POLED.
09-23-2016, 09:18 AM
#224
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: "Prof" button manipulator
Posts: 1,685
Originally Posted by JamesBond
SWA did not get 3 years retro when year 1 was an 18% increase. Do the math. If we go 3 years, and year 1 is an 18% increase, do you seriously think they are going to pay us 18%/year for 3 years in retro pay? Seriously?
I'm content with the Company not having their "gateway" items either. Cough, cough .... wow .... how did sick leave [abuse] just suddenly increase by such a large amount?
09-23-2016, 09:19 AM
#225
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 762
Originally Posted by JamesBond
SWA did not get 3 years retro when year 1 was an 18% increase. Do the math. If we go 3 years, and year 1 is an 18% increase, do you seriously think they are going to pay us 18%/year for 3 years in retro pay? Seriously?
The entire rest of your post is a nice wish list, but why don't you tell your reps or the negotiators that is your wish?
The entire rest of your post is a nice wish list, but why don't you tell your reps or the negotiators that is your wish?
I have told my reps. I gave my wish list to the survey when I was called twice.
I heard this week from a good source we are close to a TA with no change in PS, full retro, some tweaks to the AIP's. Just told to be nervous about Section 1.
09-23-2016, 09:35 AM
#226
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by Express pilot
I'll talk with my buddy at SW and get back with you.
I have told my reps. I gave my wish list to the survey when I was called twice.
I heard this week from a good source we are close to a TA with no change in PS, full retro, some tweaks to the AIP's. Just told to be nervous about Section 1.
I have told my reps. I gave my wish list to the survey when I was called twice.
I heard this week from a good source we are close to a TA with no change in PS, full retro, some tweaks to the AIP's. Just told to be nervous about Section 1.
Swa has never gone for the long ball because they had slow steady raises year after year after year. They never needed to swing for the fence. My understanding is that their retro was basically 3ish%/year for the time they were negotiating so something like 15% overall. I will be interested to see what your bud has to say about that. My point is that if we get 18% in year 1, that 18% has to be paid for however many years we are out, plus the subsequent year raises. I have my shoes on right now or I would run the numbers, but I would be shocked beyond belief if we got retro beyond a year.
I will believe we have a TA when I see it though.
Good luck to us all.
09-23-2016, 09:40 AM
#227
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by Elliot
I'm content with the Company not having their "gateway" items either.
Cough, cough .... wow .... how did sick leave [abuse] just suddenly increase by such a large amount?
Cough, cough .... wow .... how did sick leave [abuse] just suddenly increase by such a large amount?
And why do they call it common sense when it isn't so common?
09-23-2016, 10:13 AM
#228
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: "Prof" button manipulator
Posts: 1,685
Originally Posted by JamesBond
Math is hard, isn't it stud?
And why do they call it common sense when it isn't so common?
And why do they call it common sense when it isn't so common?
Instead of common sense, here's a reality check for you. You haven't received a pay raise, hence not having lost any money. Get it, or is that too hard for an old guy?
How about - maybe for just one day - everyone stops arguing Management's agenda and starts realizing this 13,000+ pilot group could get ugly quick when/once we're all rowing in the same direction! Malone must be pulling his hair out, not having to deal with buffoons at the company level, but company excuse generators like you, rube, dharma, & trippin'_over_himself7 for a deal.
09-23-2016, 11:16 AM
#229
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Please just read the contract. The amount is determined by your best consecutive 12 months over the previous 3 years and includes PS. In the chapter 11 contact it was capped at 40 hours. That has been restored. DC money is fully paid at a rate of 30% of your disability payment. This provides the equivalent of what a working pilot receives at 15% and includes the pensionability of the PS plan. When you factor in that PS counts, DC fully paid and its 100% company funded our plan is one of the best if not best in the industry.
As to your comment on a disability pilot making way more then active pilots based on the average of 87 hours a month a pilot would have needed 12 consecutive months averaging 174 hours a month or 2088 hours for 12 months. That would put his DS pay the same as a average pilot. To make way more he would have had to credit way more then 2088 hours in 12 months. I doubt it's a common occurrence.
As to your comment on a disability pilot making way more then active pilots based on the average of 87 hours a month a pilot would have needed 12 consecutive months averaging 174 hours a month or 2088 hours for 12 months. That would put his DS pay the same as a average pilot. To make way more he would have had to credit way more then 2088 hours in 12 months. I doubt it's a common occurrence.
What you get going down for the count for a career shouldn't depend on one snapshot.
09-23-2016, 11:20 AM
#230
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by Cogf16
So again, the entry level at Delta is now the right seat of an RJ, at C scale rates? Lets face it, very few people would want to fly that airplane.
Keep the categories in the same band as they are and multiply the E190/CRJ900 pay by the same percentage that the post TA rates are for the 320 over and above JB and call it a day. You will never have a problem recruiting pilots because of that.
