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Sink r8 10-11-2016 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2221284)
If the TA MEMRATs we immediately put pressure on MEC to pull down the VB's and TDYs. Easy.

It reads like the test period can be extended/cancelled/whatever. For personal reasons, I see no benefit, but perhaps some can enjoy better lives, so I'm willing to look at it, and let it be tested.

I think this item actually represents both an opportunity and a threat, and we'll need to be all over it, and very slart about it. We need close adult supervision. We need to be all over the MEC, not necessarily to pull it, but extend the test out, or otherwise preserve the option to pull it down.

spctrpilot 10-11-2016 10:01 AM

There will always be guys that will bid this sort of thing. But if there are not enough bidders will VB and TDYs be assigned?

Sink r8 10-11-2016 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by spctrpilot (Post 2221296)
There will always be guys that will bid this sort of thing. But if there are not enough bidders will VB and TDYs be assigned?

AFAIK, no. Seems very clear it's voluntary only.

gloopy 10-11-2016 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2221295)
It reads like the test period can be extended/cancelled/whatever. For personal reasons, I see no benefit, but perhaps some can enjoy better lives, so I'm willing to look at it, and let it be tested.

I think this item actually represents both an opportunity and a threat, and we'll need to be all over it, and very slart about it. We need close adult supervision. We need to be all over the MEC, not necessarily to pull it, but extend the test out, or otherwise preserve the option to pull it down.

I say pull it down immediately. This will only cost jobs, period. That is the only reason for it other than to save a paltry amount on hotels.

The day this MEMRATs (if it does) we should all pressure our reps to pull this toxic provision down ASAP. There is no reason for it on our side. I'm very Pro-Commuter and have been regardless of commuting status. But this is stupid from a group perspective. Really stupid. We need to pull it ASAP.

Its not a TA rejection issue, because if we even would reject it because of this, we could easily reject it afterwards with the current language. So I'll look past it for TA evaluation, but we need to get these pulled immediately.

gzsg 10-11-2016 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 2221102)
This only lasts for a year, if it's something that is not working out it can be terminated.

Screen shot your post.

This makes me laugh.

gzsg 10-11-2016 10:26 AM

Go back and read what Malone, DeRosa and Martin wrote about virtual basing in their campaign letters.

300SMK 10-11-2016 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 2221102)
This only lasts for a year, if it's something that is not working out it can be terminated.

Flip side the company gets to explore a little and they determine that a DFW pilot base is in everyone's best interest... and a base opens. Or the base really only needs 50 something pilots and it's simply not worth the full time status.

TRYING to be positive, I could see this leading to future bases.

Actual bases will be affected assuming the new bases don't end up as growth opportunities and new markets.

Sink r8 10-11-2016 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2221313)
Go back and read what Malone, DeRosa and Martin wrote about virtual basing in their campaign letters.

Didn't you tell us to vote for these guys?

Dirtdiver 10-11-2016 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2221266)
Crew resources has posted the answer to his question several times in their letters.

The topic was stupid things they do with no cost benefit. Their reason has been shortage of crews in SEA, yet half a dozen AEs come and go with no positions or backfills.

gloopy 10-11-2016 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 2221318)
TRYING to be positive, I could see this leading to future bases.

I don't see it that way. As long as we're addicted to operating every single fleet on earth and also giving marketing absolute control over every aspect of flight ops, we're not going to get very many if any additional bases. VB's don't help this and in fact may make it worse because it gives them the ability to pull down "bases" entirely due to seasons or equipment shifts.


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