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Sink r8 10-12-2016 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2222260)
my only comment on the substance of this ta has been only that it is no where near the bad deal the first one was. which i would think is a near universal conclusion among the group.

you are right....its not productive to engage in endless 'what ifs' on the language. otoh...it is essential one consider potential outcomes with two intellectual boundaries.....first, what is the probability of a considered outcome, and second....what quality of contractual provisions are integrated to either allow, or prohibit the considered outcome.

That's fair, and I would add that you have to consider the cost/time (interchangeable) and likelihood of obtaining a more favorable contract, as well as the risk of getting a worse contract. This thing isn't being developed in a vacuum.

To be sure, this is both much better than the other TA, but some areas disappoint compared to what one might want. The question is where it falls relative to what one might reasonably expect.

I hate the idea of VB's, at first glance. They have no upside for me, only downside. TDY is possibly even worse. But perhaps they are good for a number of commuters? I think we could possibly try them, but I also think we are going to want to watch the tests very, very closely.

BobZ 10-12-2016 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2222266)
That's fair, and I would add that you have to consider the cost/time (interchangeable) and likelihood of obtaining a more favorable contract, as well as the risk of getting a worse contract. This thing isn't being developed in a vacuum.

To be sure, this is both much better than the other TA, but some areas disappoint compared to what one might want. The question is where it falls relative to what one might reasonably expect.

I hate the idea of VB's, at first glance. They have no upside for me, only downside. TDY is possibly even worse. But perhaps they are good for a number of commuters? I think we could possibly try them, but I also think we are going to want to watch the tests very, very closely.

temporal economic considerations are likely biased to individual calculations. its only human. but as members of a CB group....the more difficult calculation is to perceive if the agreement is not just an immediate net (personal) improvement, but a net 'trend' improvement for the trade and craft.

nobody said it would be easy.

Sink r8 10-12-2016 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2222279)
...nobody said it would be easy.

I beg to differ on that point.

But you're right that it probably isn't easy. And now we get to judge the results (presumably).

DeadHead 10-14-2016 01:44 AM

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but how exactly would reserve works?

I'm guessing reserves would be covered by the nearest main base to cover an open time trip at a virtual base.

gzsg 10-14-2016 02:01 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2221319)
Didn't you tell us to vote for these guys?

Absolutely.

Who knew they would roll over after 10 minutes in office?

A new record.

They are just getting warmed up. After the contract it will be concessionary side letter after concessionary side letter.

More 76 seat jets to DCI

Korean JV

Aeromexico JV

And on and on and on


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