I think its laughable that a doorman would make what I know some of them do (100-200K+ for...being a...doorman LOL!) but hey, if idiots have so much money they can make it rain Jacksons for opening doors or hailing cabs, good for them! Our union shouldn't pay that though, and that's the point.

Maybe not so much right now, but for many, many years post 9-11 I bet you'd have lines going out the door and down the Potomac for ALPA members wanting a 6 figure job doing office work. Especially the furloughed ones, or the many, many thousands of regional FO's who, after the novelty wears off and more RJ SIC time starts doing nothing for their resume (and no one's hiring anyway) they'd jump on it.

I don't think I'm being contradictory at all. I want whats best for ALPA pilots. Paying general office help 6 figures while you have thousands and thousands of pilots you represent, flying multi million dollar airplanes with the responsibility and liability, skill background and training it takes to earn even the worst paying seat in the industry, it's just ridiculous.

Yeah yeah I know, pro union must mean 6 figures and 20 and out for everyone on the face of the earth. Let's party like its 1917 :roll eyes:

And the oil painting analogy was spot on IMO. It smacks of detached baller wanna be syndrome in the same way. Maybe it wouldn't if we didn't have so many thousands of pilots making a third to half of that, but we do.

While we're at it, as soon as we do the aforementioned pension reform, let's add a rock solid "must return to the line" for X number of years non compete clause for the top brass. Shirley they wouldn't have a problem with that, would they? Especially at election time...

The only pertinent question, IMHO, is whether ALPA is paying market wages for that office staff in the DC area. If they are, then I have no qualms with their compensation package.

What RJ FO's make does not enter into the equation.

What's market rate for an oil portrait? That's necessary. RJ pilots don't have any standing in a national industry wide labor union? DALPA has no responsibility for those pilots I understand but national? An end to 76 seat outsourcing would bring more power to ALPA than APA.

Please cite your specific examples of "office admin" people making six figure salaries. Without specifics I call B.S.

The oil portrait story, if true, is a slap in the face.

Of course RJ pilots have standing. You can only fight market pressures so much. Which regional pilot group will be the first go on strike for $70/hr FO wages? Somebody be a hero and fall on his sword!

Cool! I therefore accept your denial and call this rumor officially debunked.

If, however, it is ever discovered that it was true, you should have no problem being in favor of immediately putting an end to it. Or, at the very least, first offering all such employments to any active, inactive or furloughed ALPA pilot who wants it.

The real solution is to recover those positions to mainline, that would end the double standard and the conflicts of interests. That can be done if these companies are unable to meet their obligations and ALPA doesn't provide additional accommodations.

It used to be in ALPAs budgeting disclosures to the membership. I haven't seen an actual document in years but it was real.

Everuthing that some of you don't like is either 'insulting', or a 'slap in the face' or some other overly dramatic metaphor. Wolf!

Ok, how much are you willing to pay for the president's portrait? $80,000 if true is a lot of money that could be spent on member benefits or maybe not at all. How much money is in the MCF again?