Kill VB
11-01-2016 | 04:13 AM
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Otto
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Kill VB
I wrote my reps, I encourage you to do the same. It is likely the TA will pass, let's at least get rid of one of the toxic items before it ever rears its ugly head. VB may be helpful to specific DAL pilots but as a whole this gives CS way too much flexibility and abrogates seniority. It has to go.
11-01-2016 | 04:40 AM
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11-01-2016 | 05:14 AM
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I wrote my reps, I encourage you to do the same. It is likely the TA will pass, let's at least get rid of one of the toxic items before it ever rears its ugly head. VB may be helpful to specific DAL pilots but as a whole this gives CS way too much flexibility and abrogates seniority. It has to go.
Just one question. How does it abrogate seniority?
Hmmmmmm..........let me think about this............could I say all the guys/gals that might like the idea of a VB (probably a lot of commuters) are now virtually (
) being thrown under the bus?The last is not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just pointing out a different viewpoint.
Denny
11-01-2016 | 05:32 AM
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MikeF16,
Just one question. How does it abrogate seniority?
Hmmmmmm..........let me think about this............could I say all the guys/gals that might like the idea of a VB (probably a lot of commuters) are now virtually () being thrown under the bus?
The last is not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just pointing out a different viewpoint.
Denny
Just one question. How does it abrogate seniority?
Hmmmmmm..........let me think about this............could I say all the guys/gals that might like the idea of a VB (probably a lot of commuters) are now virtually (
) being thrown under the bus?The last is not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just pointing out a different viewpoint.
Denny
Commuters lose no seniority in commuting. They have made a voluntary choice to use their seniority to enable their commuting lifestyle. VB will remove trips from the bid package which somebody who hasn't bid a VB (both commuters and those who live in domicile) would have had access to.
Example: Senior commuter lives in Dallas and uses their seniority to bid double commutable NYC trips. VB established in Tampa. All those late sign-in early sign-out trips that used to do NYC-TPA are now gone to a new hire who just happens to live in Florida and bid the TPA VB. How is that fair? That has most definitely abrogated the seniority system.
11-01-2016 | 05:41 AM
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Mike, I respect your sincerity but you are just making up a scenario. It might be plausible or it might not ever happen or anything remotely close.
I don't commute but used to. The VBs are a huge unknown but I'm not convinced they are toxic. I am suspicious of them but our contractual language gives us an easy out if we don't like them. We should allow them to proceed and see what unfolds.
The company might conclude that they are a waste of time and effort. We might feel the same. Either side can pull them down.
Or just maybe, both sides will find them beneficial. It might even be (or not) several years of very successful VBs later we might even ask "what was all the angst about?"
I don't commute but used to. The VBs are a huge unknown but I'm not convinced they are toxic. I am suspicious of them but our contractual language gives us an easy out if we don't like them. We should allow them to proceed and see what unfolds.
The company might conclude that they are a waste of time and effort. We might feel the same. Either side can pull them down.
Or just maybe, both sides will find them beneficial. It might even be (or not) several years of very successful VBs later we might even ask "what was all the angst about?"
11-01-2016 | 05:50 AM
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Mike, I respect your sincerity but you are just making up a scenario. It might be plausible or it might not ever happen or anything remotely close.
I don't commute but used to. The VBs are a huge unknown but I'm not convinced they are toxic. I am suspicious of them but our contractual language gives us an easy out if we don't like them. We should allow them to proceed and see what unfolds.
The company might conclude that they are a waste of time and effort. We might feel the same. Either side can pull them down.
Or just maybe, both sides will find them beneficial. It might even be (or not) several years of very successful VBs later we might even ask "what was all the angst about?"
I don't commute but used to. The VBs are a huge unknown but I'm not convinced they are toxic. I am suspicious of them but our contractual language gives us an easy out if we don't like them. We should allow them to proceed and see what unfolds.
The company might conclude that they are a waste of time and effort. We might feel the same. Either side can pull them down.
Or just maybe, both sides will find them beneficial. It might even be (or not) several years of very successful VBs later we might even ask "what was all the angst about?"
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