Because the second time around it took close to a year and a half to get FOCUS PLUS, most of the guys I have spoken to did not want to wait another year and a half for FOCUS ++.
they want the money now and the typical "we will get them next time!" most lost faith in DALPA being able to do much better the third time around!
82% is a huge number, I hope DALPA/company do not take it the wrong way, because 82% are not happy with how this went down.

Enjoy the retro, time will tell how the rest of it plays out!

 

I have yet to hear anyone say 'we'll get 'em next time' except the clown factory on CC..... and you. Most people I talk to are pretty happy overall.

And I figure this contract added about $450k to my retirement, so thanks, I will enjoy it.

 

As a newbie, Im pretty happy about this. I know it's not perfect, but Im glad as a group the last TA was rejected in favor of this agreement; which is clearly better. Well done ladies and gentlemen!!

 

And the rocket surgeons had a banquet to celebrate. And much ale was consumed -- provided by the ewoks. And the toast that was heard throughout the forest went something like, "Whatever happened with that PEB?"

The end.

 

No. No TA ever comes with a pay increase.

 

Really? Have you already forgotten the 66% rejection of the first TA? The company will think long and hard about trying another 50.1 + TA.

You could just as easily say the lesson here is how much more the company had to cough up to correct for their initial insulting offer.

Hard to tell the long term affects of this deal but I think the "Market" for Pilots will play a much more important role in the next TA then a look back to the 82% approval.

Scoop

 

Not sure by what you mean about "as long as they hit 48.5 once". The way it is set up now (the settlement), the company has to maintain a minimum of 48.5% of EASKs every year. Since 2010 the company has not been in compliance once.

Furthermore, the language states the new "minimum" is an AVERAGE of 46.5%. This means we went from a minimum of 48.5% to an Average of 46.5%.

We can throw out numbers all day long; essentially, the company was out of compliance for 6 years and we just gifted them into compliance.

With this new contract we are:

- Allowing the company to do less Atlantic flying than they are currently doing.

- If the company goes below 48.5% EASK then it triggers a global protection that is contractually 5% less International flying than we are doing today.

If the company flat out did not respect our "Floor" over the Atlantic, why would they respect our new global "Floor"?

I would have more faith in the Block hour floor if we would of added Non-Compliance language. Unfortunately, DALPA didn't learn their lesson from 6 years of the company breaking our contract.

How the Scope section is being labeled a win in beyond me. It clearly allows the company to fly fewer international flights.

 

82% are not happy?

Is that something you can prove?

I take it as exactly the opposite: 82% liked the deal.
"Like" is closer to "happy" than "not happy" (your term).

 

I think what he is saying is that although 82% voted in favor, it doesn't mean that all yes voters are "happy" with the way everything "shook" out.

 

Yep! They are talking past each other.