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Old 12-01-2016, 10:51 AM
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I think results are today. Anyone?
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I think results are today. Anyone?
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:49 AM
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C66 didn't show up to vote.
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Originally Posted by rube
C66 didn't show up to vote.
Really?!

You should have also received the certification of our Council 66 election ballot. We congratulate our new reps. Participation in the council election was at an all-time high with over 66 percent of the eligible pilots voting! We would like thank all who voted, regardless of your choice.

 Captain Representative: Tom Kramer
 First Officer Representative: Hesham Aly 
Secretary-Treasurer: David Adler

Excerpted from C66 12/1 update.


Is this just intentional misleading or ignorance?
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Originally Posted by rube
C66 didn't show up to vote.
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Really?!

You should have also received the certification of our Council 66 election ballot. We congratulate our new reps. Participation in the council election was at an all-time high with over 66 percent of the eligible pilots voting!

Is this just intentional misleading or ignorance?
The 66 vote results were not good news for the rube faction. They got spanked.

rube and the rest of the old guard Moak disciples are kinda like the Black Knight in the old Monty Python movie.
They keep losing appendages but refuse to acknowledge defeat.

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You two are just adorable.

The TA had a 96.17% participation rate among NYC pilots, with 349 opposed and 1,461 in favor of our new contract. The C66 election had a 66.52% participation rate, even though the vote closed on the same freaking day. So somebody didn't show up.

Tom Kramer kept his name off the C66 update announcing that the TA was going to MEMRAT. Brielmann and Hazleton both endorsed the agreement, but Kramer never made any public statements about how he would choose if he were given the deciding vote. Given the overwhelming outcome, Kramer looks a lot like a chicken for failing to weigh in.

Aly ran on a platform designed to appeal to the emotions of everyone who was upset that we got a TA in the first place. If Aly had the deciding vote last September, this contract wouldn't exist at all, and the membership that provided all of the impetus behind the redirection that led to this TA would have been left out in the cold.

I don't know anything about Adler, who touts his RCC "experience." It is hard for me to see the value in a toothless committee that predicates its value upon sending all of New York's Mexico City trips to Atlanta. Adler is really just another one of Brielmann's flying monkeys. He's been a good boy, and so he gets a turn with the checkbook as long as he doesn't **** off Tom's cult.

If this is what you want, then how will you measure success? The new status reps are starting out opposed to 82 percent of the pilots they are supposed to represent; how can anyone who voted in favor of the TA reasonably expect that these new reps will honestly serve their interests? They're 180 degrees off course on Day One.

Now Brielmann is saying he will move to Atlanta if elected secretary. By "move" he means he will take up permanent residence in the apartments at our expense. The apartments come out of our dues, and are intended for the use of MEC officers and a limited number of committee chairs that commute to ATL to WORK for the Delta pilots, not to bring the wife and kid. Tom Brielmann is looking for free room and board, and that is simply indefensible. No one on FPL should gain or suffer anything that wouldn't happen to any line pilot.

I wonder if he will still take entire summers off on his boat. I wonder if he will maintain actual currency, or risk flying an airplane during this boondoggle. I hope his worshipers will explain it to me if this poser is elected.
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Originally Posted by rube
You two are just adorable.

The TA had a 96.17% participation rate among NYC pilots, with 349 opposed and 1,461 in favor of our new contract. The C66 election had a 66.52% participation rate, even though the vote closed on the same freaking day. So somebody didn't show up.

Tom Kramer kept his name off the C66 update announcing that the TA was going to MEMRAT. Brielmann and Hazleton both endorsed the agreement, but Kramer never made any public statements about how he would choose if he were given the deciding vote. Given the overwhelming outcome, Kramer looks a lot like a chicken for failing to weigh in.

Aly ran on a platform designed to appeal to the emotions of everyone who was upset that we got a TA in the first place. If Aly had the deciding vote last September, this contract wouldn't exist at all, and the membership that provided all of the impetus behind the redirection that led to this TA would have been left out in the cold.

I don't know anything about Adler, who touts his RCC "experience." It is hard for me to see the value in a toothless committee that predicates its value upon sending all of New York's Mexico City trips to Atlanta. Adler is really just another one of Brielmann's flying monkeys. He's been a good boy, and so he gets a turn with the checkbook as long as he doesn't **** off Tom's cult.

If this is what you want, then how will you measure success? The new status reps are starting out opposed to 82 percent of the pilots they are supposed to represent; how can anyone who voted in favor of the TA reasonably expect that these new reps will honestly serve their interests? They're 180 degrees off course on Day One.

Now Brielmann is saying he will move to Atlanta if elected secretary. By "move" he means he will take up permanent residence in the apartments at our expense. The apartments come out of our dues, and are intended for the use of MEC officers and a limited number of committee chairs that commute to ATL to WORK for the Delta pilots, not to bring the wife and kid. Tom Brielmann is looking for free room and board, and that is simply indefensible. No one on FPL should gain or suffer anything that wouldn't happen to any line pilot.

I wonder if he will still take entire summers off on his boat. I wonder if he will maintain actual currency, or risk flying an airplane during this boondoggle. I hope his worshipers will explain it to me if this poser is elected.
If this post alone isn't enough to set term limits for pilot service to the union...
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So... yup, sour grapes. And anyone living more than a 45 minute drive from the DALPA building with a family need not apply for any leadership position. Ok, got it.

Yet results matter. Just not election results.
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Tom Kramer pledged to remain neutral regarding the contract negotiations when he ran for the ST position, so why would he do as you suggest? I wouldn't call someone being true to their word a chicken, would you?


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Originally Posted by rube
You two are just adorable.

The TA had a 96.17% participation rate among NYC pilots, with 349 opposed and 1,461 in favor of our new contract. The C66 election had a 66.52% participation rate, even though the vote closed on the same freaking day. So somebody didn't show up.

Tom Kramer kept his name off the C66 update announcing that the TA was going to MEMRAT. Brielmann and Hazleton both endorsed the agreement, but Kramer never made any public statements about how he would choose if he were given the deciding vote. Given the overwhelming outcome, Kramer looks a lot like a chicken for failing to weigh in.

Aly ran on a platform designed to appeal to the emotions of everyone who was upset that we got a TA in the first place. If Aly had the deciding vote last September, this contract wouldn't exist at all, and the membership that provided all of the impetus behind the redirection that led to this TA would have been left out in the cold.

I don't know anything about Adler, who touts his RCC "experience." It is hard for me to see the value in a toothless committee that predicates its value upon sending all of New York's Mexico City trips to Atlanta. Adler is really just another one of Brielmann's flying monkeys. He's been a good boy, and so he gets a turn with the checkbook as long as he doesn't **** off Tom's cult.

If this is what you want, then how will you measure success? The new status reps are starting out opposed to 82 percent of the pilots they are supposed to represent; how can anyone who voted in favor of the TA reasonably expect that these new reps will honestly serve their interests? They're 180 degrees off course on Day One.

Now Brielmann is saying he will move to Atlanta if elected secretary. By "move" he means he will take up permanent residence in the apartments at our expense. The apartments come out of our dues, and are intended for the use of MEC officers and a limited number of committee chairs that commute to ATL to WORK for the Delta pilots, not to bring the wife and kid. Tom Brielmann is looking for free room and board, and that is simply indefensible. No one on FPL should gain or suffer anything that wouldn't happen to any line pilot.

I wonder if he will still take entire summers off on his boat. I wonder if he will maintain actual currency, or risk flying an airplane during this boondoggle. I hope his worshipers will explain it to me if this poser is elected.
You have issues man.

Malone is probably going to get reelected despite being an admitted EPA supporter, pushing for scope and profit sharing relief, and wanting to run for a shorter term so he can run for election at national--all while saying he only wanted to finish this contract and then go back to the line 🙄

So relax. I can remember a certain captain rep in ATL who always seemed to be on vacation during anything going on unionwise, but then again he towed the monetization line. None of the moakies lived here and lived at our expense during the week in ATL.

I could go on and on, but frankly, it's just sad. Take a vacation
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