Retro Pay Question
 

As far as retro pay is concerned, I realize that Alpa will be taking dues out of the 18%. My question is: If you are getting the 15% retirement contribution in pay now because you have reached the 415c limit, does Alpa deduct dues out of the retirement contribution portion of the retro check? I wouldn't think so but I don't know for sure.

Denny

Yep 1.95% of original amount.

After you hit the 415 limit the excess comes as ordinary income. ALPA takes their cut.

It would be interesting to know exactly how big ALPA's "retro check" is going to be.

Mega million$ -- all dumped into the black hole in Herndon.

Its seriously time to lower our dues rate.

You mean their retro calculator online doesn't have this feature built in?

Sounds fair to me.

18% of $3.5B payroll is $630M

1.95% of $630M retro is $12,285,000.

$12M(ish) is my guess.

OR

Per ALPA $562.3M value add for 2016 which is retro pay.

1.95% of $562.3M is $10,964,850.

At least $11M

That's a good question. I don't like the answer on here.

What's the best way to calculate retro? The DALPA site asks for avg hours flown (who knows that?)

I'm thinking:
[Nov 30 "FLT ADV" plus NOV 15 "FLT PAY" (both YTD)] x 18%

I think that's a fair guess.
I was going to say $10 million just as a wag.
What is ALPA going to do with $10 or $12 mil of windfall money?
I suppose the lawyers will find a way to get it. They always do.

Either that or there's gonna be one helluva Christmas party up there in DC this year.

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Thank You Delta Pilots !!!

piggybacking on this retro question - will those of us who were on training pay still receive some sort of retro check?

I thought the dues rate was 1.90%?

Oh well. Those "folks in Herndon" include the E&FA analysts that we use at the table, an ERISA attorney, and a Membership Dept to ensure pilots eligible to vote get the chance to - including the group that became Active members during the balloting window

Why can't all those things just happen in the ether? Why should be have to pay other union workers with no split loyalties to do those things for us?

Looks like we'll be getting another dues refund. Waiting for the griping about that, too.

Nope....

It is.

Per the ALPA Administrative Manual, the dues ALPA receives is broken down into four accounts: MEC Account, Administrative and Support Account, Operating Contingency Fund and the LEC Account.

As a large carrier MEC, 33.33% of that dues income is allocated to your MEC. So 1/3 of the dues collected from the retro payment will be allocated to the Delta MEC account.

Is there a stated percentage split for chicken/beef or wine/beer expenditures at DALPA events?

I had the beef sandwich at the last council meeting. I wonder if I'm still in good standing?

No alcohol but I did have 2 cans of diet coke. I think my $600ish retro dues should cover it but I'll have a salad next time just in case.

I think I read somewhere that the Dec 15 paycheck will be paid at old rates so you'll need to add that in before you start the calculations....but in essence, you are correct! But don't forget to multiply that big number by 1.15 to figure your DC which will be added to that previous big number!:eek:

Only if you've hit the max 415c limit, right? Otherwise, that money will be deposited in our 401k account.

Of course. Why wouldn't you?

You should get the full retro difference between training pay rates. Plus I assume the 401k money on that amount too.

True dat! Look at the months you were in training and and take the difference in new training pay (retro 2016 training pay). The month you converted to line pilot from OE can be discerned from the PAS on the Self Service page. It will show the training pay amount and the Flight Pay/Flight Advance.

I find a lot of pilots are adding a extra month to the retro. The Jan 16 pay check is for flying performed in Dec of 15 and will not be included. There will be 10 months of retro.

Not sure about that. The JAN 15th 2016 check is for December 2015 flying, but the DEC 15th 2016 check essentially replaces it so the DEC retro check to be paid on December 16, 2016 should be for the first 11 months of 2016.

It only takes about 5 minutes to look at the bottom of each PAS from January to October to come up with how many hours you have been paid.

If you are lazy, there is a 12 month average on your last PAS. Times that amount by 10 and you will be close to what your retro amount should be.

10 months? Shouldn't it be 11?

Yes. Retroactive pay from Jan. 1st - Nov. 30th.

As mentioned above, Pilot Activity Statement on DeltaNet for the exact number of hours flown.

Or just wait until Dec. 16th and be surprised. :)

Don't you mean hours paid? In most cases that should be far in excess of hours flown.

So for those of us that were on probation for part of the year will ALPA take dues for only that part or the entire check?

I think the right and correct answers will be different.

No, if you are lazy you just wait until December 16th and see what shows up.

Profit sharing from the JV grievance settlement pay should be in their too. Right?

MEC Grievance 16-02: $30 million Transatlantic JV settlement to be paid in full

– Considered as “annual compensation” for purposes of profit sharing calculation
– Paid in full

Oops. Yup, should've said monthly credit hours towards pay. #my_bad

We will get 11 months of retro. The NNP stated the Dec 15 paycheck (making November right for pay) will be at the old rates and the Dec 16 retro check will cover retro thru November. The Dec 31 paycheck will be at the new rates.

Denny

I am not complaining about paying dues on the 18%. That's a given. I believe paying dues on DC excess is not right. If you still had room in your 401k, would you pay dues on it then? It just doesn't seem right to charge dues in one situation but not the other with regards to DC excess.

I've been kinda busy this week. I'll try and remember to call Dalpa on Monday and try and get a definitive answer.

Denny

I think my method is faster. It took 2 minutes and is probably more accurate.

I assumed 15 Dec would be the new rates. Either way some are counting the 15 Jan check as getting retro. It won't.

In answer to my question, I found out that the DC Excess amount is NOT subject to ALPA dues. :):)

Denny

..Thanks Denny....Now can you get the greedy bastards in DC to get their grubby mitts of the rest?

Not Herndon....the IRSof A

And Debbie Downer reminds everyone

They are still going to take taxes out.........Don't want to get too big a big screen :-)

What the Lieutenant meant to say was ...... "I don't know."

:eek:

Putting my $$$ away in place of my lost pension Fe(a)rd.

Big screen?!!??! For what, football?

Maybe if my taxes didn't go to pay for someones' mom-in-law, who has been feeding off my taxes for 8 years, to get a govt. pension as a babysitter..........................

Or for Obama's 5th new multi-million home for a DB who earns <$500k per year.....

Ha!

Sincerely. Debbie!

p.s. sorry for the political rant....

yup......death and taxes :(