BravoPapa

I assume all the regionals' benefits are pretty much the same, but I was watching a video by an Envoy pilot and it got me curious.

Of course he said they have full flight benefits on Envoy and AA, because they are wholly owned by AA. He said they have the same benefits as AA pilots. "We not only fly all the American Eagle side but we fly all the AA side for free. We know how many people are on the seats; how many people are on standby..." And he said that there are some regionals that can only fly on their own airlines and if they fly with Envo they pay a little extra price, they don't know how many seats are available or who's on standby, and they below every person that works for Envoy or AA.

Is it the same way with Endeavor and Delta? Are you treated just like a Delta employee for flying, etc? Do you know how many people are on the seats and how many are on standby? And any other information about flight benefits with Envoy as it relates to Delta and the other regionals/majors.

teddy3412

As an endeavor employee you have access to travelnet which is Delta's non rev website. Basically you see standbys, the whole thing like you mentioned. Our travel priority is below Delta though on Delta flights. On endeavor flights we have priority over them last I checked.

gojo

On Endeavor aircraft we only have priority over active Delta for the Jumpseat. The cabin seats are by date of hire as our priority is both S-3. Delta Retirees and parents are below us as well

jules11

/\ /\ /\ This is hysterical. The answer is No.

Having worked for both envoy and Endeavor, I can tell you that the non-rev privileges (flight benefits) at the AA wholly owned regionals are far superior than those who fly for Delta.

At AA, envoy, PSA, and Piedmont, when you list for a flight, you can see exactly the amount of seats that are available in real time as well as who is eligible for the flight deck jumpseat (pilots) and cabin jumpseats (flight attendants). Your priority on the standby list is based solely on time of check in; which can be done up to 24 hours prior to departure. It doesn't matter if you worked for AA for 30 years or just started at envoy last week, whoever checked in first, goes first.

Delta has a fairly complex hierarchy when it comes to who goes where on standby lists. As well as a system that doesn't seem to be able to tell us exactly how many passengers are on a given flight.

On Delta operated flights, Delta employees and their families go above everyone else on the standby list (in order of date of hire). Then come delta retirees and their families, then Endeavor and our spouses and parents, then those who fly for other Delta regionals, then buddy pass riders (we do not get buddy passes).

Contrary to what the above poster said, on an Endeavor airplane, we get placed on the list by date of hire mixed in with the Delta employees. So while Delta employees will ALWAYS go ahead of us on Delta flights, we DO NOT always go ahead of them on our own flights. It doesn't matter if someone was hired at Delta last week and you've been at endeavor since its creation, they will always go ahead of you on a Delta flight. Your only hope of getting ahead of a Delta employee on an Endeavor flight would be if you were hired before them.

When selecting a flight, they publish "available" seats and "authorized" seats. A lot of the time, between heavily traveled routes you'll see available seats as a negative number and authorized seats as a greater negative number, yet more often that not, a handful of standbys will get on the flight.

Unlike the AA system, there is no indication of who is a Pilot or a Flight attendant on the list so you're left in the dark as to whether or not you stand a chance to make on the flight deck jumpseat until you arrive at the gate. Additionally, as a pilot listing as a non-rev, you are not automatically placed on the jumpseat list in case you cant make it on in the main cabin.

Below is an example of a flight yesterday from ATL to DTW
It shows -4 avaiable and -2 authorized yet 15 non-revs (the S2s, S3s and S3Bs) got on the flight. Its great that they got on but when all you can see beforehand is the numbers -4/-2, it makes it very difficult to get an idea of what your chances are.

gojo

If you re-read my post I said active Delta and Endeavor are the same priority then sorted out by date of hire. I agree that American has much better flight benefits

jules11

I was talking about what teddy3412 said

gojo

Oh my bad. I was too. We must've been posting at the same time

HighFlight

Another thing to consider is longevity. If one works 7 years at a AA WO, then moves on to AA for 3 more years, he/she gets lifetime flight benefits. Not true at EDV. If you work at EDV for 5 years, then move to DL, you lose your 5 years of longevity at EDV, and have to work at DL for 10 years to get lifetime flight benefits.

jules11

Another hurdle in the Delta system is that since it is hierarchical and follows date of employment there is no incentive for anyone to list ahead of time. People list a few hours before the flight or even just show up at the gate and are suddenly ahead of you in line.

I've seen time and time again the number of standbys increase more and more on the day of travel. At AA, since it goes by time of check in, everyone lists and checks in for their flight as soon as possible which lets everyone know exactly how much people are trying to get on the flight. But again... we're left in the dark

Five93H

Have you contacted your rep and said this is something we should look into?