Upgrade requirements
02-01-2018, 06:44 AM
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Upgrade requirements
I've seen quite a few questions regarding upgrade requirements here and wanted to try to get it in one easy spot.
Legal FAA requirements are 1,000 hours of 121. I believe mil flight time is allowed some conversion. This is not waivable.
Contract requirements are 2,500TT and 1,000 company. These are waivable.
After first upgrade, there is a 12 month equipment lock. This is waivable.
Flight times are waived by equipment. A 900 may not waive times for upgrade, while a 200 does. On the last vacancy, this was the case.
One needed 2,500TT/1,000 company to hold upgrade, plus seniority (roughly 2 years for JFK/LGA). If you were a R-ATP candidate at 750/1,000/1,250, this means you need to meet the 2,500.
For the 200, times went as low as projected mins (75hr/month). This means one could finish FO training and be awarded upgrade without meeting 2,500TT/1,000 company. Projection of flight time is only applicable for contract times, meaning you must meet 1,000 121 prior to the closing time of a vacancy.
Seatlocks from upgrade have been waived recently, and a memo indicated that could continue. For those of you that want 900 captain but don't meet contractual, you can upgrade 200 then possibly swap over. Clear as mud?
Legal FAA requirements are 1,000 hours of 121. I believe mil flight time is allowed some conversion. This is not waivable.
Contract requirements are 2,500TT and 1,000 company. These are waivable.
After first upgrade, there is a 12 month equipment lock. This is waivable.
Flight times are waived by equipment. A 900 may not waive times for upgrade, while a 200 does. On the last vacancy, this was the case.
One needed 2,500TT/1,000 company to hold upgrade, plus seniority (roughly 2 years for JFK/LGA). If you were a R-ATP candidate at 750/1,000/1,250, this means you need to meet the 2,500.
For the 200, times went as low as projected mins (75hr/month). This means one could finish FO training and be awarded upgrade without meeting 2,500TT/1,000 company. Projection of flight time is only applicable for contract times, meaning you must meet 1,000 121 prior to the closing time of a vacancy.
Seatlocks from upgrade have been waived recently, and a memo indicated that could continue. For those of you that want 900 captain but don't meet contractual, you can upgrade 200 then possibly swap over. Clear as mud?
02-01-2018, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hot Richard
I've seen quite a few questions regarding upgrade requirements here and wanted to try to get it in one easy spot.
Legal FAA requirements are 1,000 hours of 121. I believe mil flight time is allowed some conversion. This is not waivable.
Contract requirements are 2,500TT and 1,000 company. These are waivable.
After first upgrade, there is a 12 month equipment lock. This is waivable.
Flight times are waived by equipment. A 900 may not waive times for upgrade, while a 200 does. On the last vacancy, this was the case.
One needed 2,500TT/1,000 company to hold upgrade, plus seniority (roughly 2 years for JFK/LGA). If you were a R-ATP candidate at 750/1,000/1,250, this means you need to meet the 2,500.
For the 200, times went as low as projected mins (75hr/month). This means one could finish FO training and be awarded upgrade without meeting 2,500TT/1,000 company. Projection of flight time is only applicable for contract times, meaning you must meet 1,000 121 prior to the closing time of a vacancy.
Seatlocks from upgrade have been waived recently, and a memo indicated that could continue. For those of you that want 900 captain but don't meet contractual, you can upgrade 200 then possibly swap over. Clear as mud?
Legal FAA requirements are 1,000 hours of 121. I believe mil flight time is allowed some conversion. This is not waivable.
Contract requirements are 2,500TT and 1,000 company. These are waivable.
After first upgrade, there is a 12 month equipment lock. This is waivable.
Flight times are waived by equipment. A 900 may not waive times for upgrade, while a 200 does. On the last vacancy, this was the case.
One needed 2,500TT/1,000 company to hold upgrade, plus seniority (roughly 2 years for JFK/LGA). If you were a R-ATP candidate at 750/1,000/1,250, this means you need to meet the 2,500.
For the 200, times went as low as projected mins (75hr/month). This means one could finish FO training and be awarded upgrade without meeting 2,500TT/1,000 company. Projection of flight time is only applicable for contract times, meaning you must meet 1,000 121 prior to the closing time of a vacancy.
Seatlocks from upgrade have been waived recently, and a memo indicated that could continue. For those of you that want 900 captain but don't meet contractual, you can upgrade 200 then possibly swap over. Clear as mud?
02-01-2018, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hot Richard
I've seen quite a few questions regarding upgrade requirements here and wanted to try to get it in one easy spot.
Legal FAA requirements are 1,000 hours of 121. I believe mil flight time is allowed some conversion. This is not waivable.
Contract requirements are 2,500TT and 1,000 company. These are waivable.
After first upgrade, there is a 12 month equipment lock. This is waivable.
Flight times are waived by equipment. A 900 may not waive times for upgrade, while a 200 does. On the last vacancy, this was the case.
One needed 2,500TT/1,000 company to hold upgrade, plus seniority (roughly 2 years for JFK/LGA). If you were a R-ATP candidate at 750/1,000/1,250, this means you need to meet the 2,500.
For the 200, times went as low as projected mins (75hr/month). This means one could finish FO training and be awarded upgrade without meeting 2,500TT/1,000 company. Projection of flight time is only applicable for contract times, meaning you must meet 1,000 121 prior to the closing time of a vacancy.
Seatlocks from upgrade have been waived recently, and a memo indicated that could continue. For those of you that want 900 captain but don't meet contractual, you can upgrade 200 then possibly swap over. Clear as mud?
Legal FAA requirements are 1,000 hours of 121. I believe mil flight time is allowed some conversion. This is not waivable.
Contract requirements are 2,500TT and 1,000 company. These are waivable.
After first upgrade, there is a 12 month equipment lock. This is waivable.
Flight times are waived by equipment. A 900 may not waive times for upgrade, while a 200 does. On the last vacancy, this was the case.
One needed 2,500TT/1,000 company to hold upgrade, plus seniority (roughly 2 years for JFK/LGA). If you were a R-ATP candidate at 750/1,000/1,250, this means you need to meet the 2,500.
For the 200, times went as low as projected mins (75hr/month). This means one could finish FO training and be awarded upgrade without meeting 2,500TT/1,000 company. Projection of flight time is only applicable for contract times, meaning you must meet 1,000 121 prior to the closing time of a vacancy.
Seatlocks from upgrade have been waived recently, and a memo indicated that could continue. For those of you that want 900 captain but don't meet contractual, you can upgrade 200 then possibly swap over. Clear as mud?
02-01-2018, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Well, you started off wrong. 121.436(a) requires 1000 hours of 121 SIC time, or as PIC in 135.243(a)1 or 91.1053(a)1.
Funny how a 1900 with people in the back counts but boxes doesn't...
02-01-2018, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hot Richard
I can never figure out the right combination of non airline time... 135 passenger counts, cargo does not- correct?
Funny how a 1900 with people in the back counts but boxes doesn't...
Funny how a 1900 with people in the back counts but boxes doesn't...
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