Originally Posted by Fourpaw

There are no pilots selling this TA.

These pay rates reflect a market of unchanged supply and demand. With an ample amount of people lined up for a position paying non-livable wages, nothing will ever change.

I am also a supporter of our hard workers in the back BUT I still ask myself why anyone would ever in their right mind decide to do this job for that pay. For example, more than a decade ago my wife earned $34k working at a popular chain restaurant. Today she cleans 8-10 houses a month and makes the same. She works 1 week a month and still makes more than our FA’s! Supply vs. demand. People in our area are willing to pay stupid money for house keeping.

If you are a follower of Dave Ramsey, he would tell you to find a different job. There are little thousands of jobs available in the 20-30k range. Remember pilot pay over the last decade? People said that flying 50-76 people around for 20k was stupid and stopped showing up for classes. Enough people did this for long enough to drive wages up.

I’m sorry your TA is less than the gold standard, but please realize your bargaining power. The company knows what they can get away with. Until people stop showing up for poverty wages, they will keep paying them.

Originally Posted by web500sjc

FA TA got voted down.

Looks like they are back to the drawing board.

Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

What I'm hearing is that they were close - likely just a handful of votes between 'go' and 'no go'. The two FAs I flew with last night said had they secured a 4HR min day, that would have been a yes for them. Contract proposed a 3HR with escalator up to 4HR over course of the contract.

So, they're close...no need to redraw the whole deal. Also sounded like turnout was low. Had more voted, might have been a different result. Hope the AFA can get their sh!t together and take care of our guys and gals!

Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

What I'm hearing is that they were close - likely just a handful of votes between 'go' and 'no go'. The two FAs I flew with last night said had they secured a 4HR min day, that would have been a yes for them. Contract proposed a 3HR with escalator up to 4HR over course of the contract.

So, they're close...no need to redraw the whole deal. Also sounded like turnout was low. Had more voted, might have been a different result. Hope the AFA can get their sh!t together and take care of our guys and gals!

Originally Posted by prex8390

Low turnout, the reason I ask is, what percentage of our FA group is eligible to vote? As far as I’m aware we still have a big turnover rate. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear if 40% of all our flight attendants are on probation.

Originally Posted by flydiamond

They don’t have a very long probation and they didn’t hire any FAs last fall/early winter. Only 6 months probation if I’m not mistaken. So the 72% turnout means at least about 15-20% didn’t vote, unless 72% was of eligible FAs. AFA memo was unclear on who the 72% was a measure of. Also, for your information, the FA group is actually on a whole about as senior a work group as our pilot group... there’s a lot of churn at the bottom but hundreds of FAs with 5+ years longevity.

Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

Good point. AFA rep I talked to just now said FA group can be broken down in thirds - 1/3 is senior at around 5+ years, 1/3 is less than five years, and 1/3 is not eligible to vote. I hear the 72% of the 800+ eligible voters cast a ballot, with just a few votes pushing it down. I don't think it'll take much to get it right, and I heard a few senior FAs were quite upset they aren't getting the raise.

Originally Posted by ninerdriver

It's interesting to hear how the senior vote goes. Some senior folks want the raise. Other senior folks will vote no until they get back what they had for QOL in bankruptcy. Sounds a little familiar.

Originally Posted by Levelout

When JM - sent the message the TA was approved by the afa , this doesn’t mean the mec liked it and thought it could pass a vote. This TA, would only help the fas temporary, and if you read it, it’s still trash with a few items that look shiny.

Why I write, is pilots are selling it to the fas. Right now and they have not researched it and seem to be using the it’s new so, it must be good mentality. Even if it’s a new car , it could be a lemon and right now, It’s a flaming ball of something you do not want to fall on you, is to put it nicely.

So quick items forgotten

-American Airlines wholly owned Envoy receives 6% profit sharing
(None for endeavor )
-Skywest Per diem is $1.95
(They want to give us 1.85 like pilots )
-Premium Pay scale when given more hours ( express jet has not mentioned in endeavor TA )
There are many more issues and short-comings to compare it to but it would be a book. Just on the pay side


Min Wage in NYC
15.00hr or
2,400 a month

Today a Endeavor Flight Attendant new hire 18.00 = 1,368.00 a month
16,416 a yr
Top out @ 16yrs
35.48
2, 661 a month
31,923 a yr

New ta - @ signing
19.00 that is
17,000 a yr
a flight hr to start
And the scale goes up to 20 yrs @ 41.50
37,080 a yr
This qualifies over 1/2 the workgroup for section 8 housing and up to a 6yr flight attendant on section 42 housing. medical paid for by the state of New York , and even some on food stamps in major cities. Over 50% of the flight attendants are under 3-4 yr fas so, this is going to impact them the greatest.
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We have been told we can’t compare the old comair rates are they are not an airline anymore but, we fly their metal.


In 2002, Comair fas signed a TA with teamsters
It was 19.10 for a new hire
Using inflation that is
27.26
2,044.50 a month

Top out
16yrs Comair was
34.86 in 2002
with inflation
$49.76

Please educate yourself. Our structure in the afa union sounds similar to alpa but, we all pay a flat fee , even united and Alaska pay the same flat fee as an endeavor flight attendant for representation and not a percent like alpa. You’re selling something that will never get fas off of government assistance or a fighting chance.

I would like to know what their rates were in 2002 for pilots , if someone has a payscale for around 2002-2004? Could you share it below ?