So about 1% of our pilots positive despite being "on the front lines". Almost all back at work already....
Does anybody know why we are not filling all the seats and making profits instead of paying customers $800 gift cards to not fly on half empty jets? This is getting more stupid every day. Also, if I use my Positive Space ticket on an overbooked flight, can I take the gift card? |
Originally Posted by preflight
(Post 3082838)
So about 1% of our pilots positive despite being "on the front lines". Almost all back at work already....
Does anybody know why we are not filling all the seats and making profits instead of paying customers $800 gift cards to not fly on half empty jets? This is getting more stupid every day. Also, if I use my Positive Space ticket on an overbooked flight, can I take the gift card? |
Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
(Post 3082871)
I would love to see some statistical proof or really anything showing that blocking the middle seats and remaining at 60% capacity is winning any prizes in the court of public opinion. Especially when the lost profit is coming directly out of the pockets of the pilot/labor groups who are going to lose their jobs October 1 because of it.
And we've discussed this before, but if they lift the seat blocks they'll actually need FEWER pilots leading to potentially more Furloughs. Regardless of whether or not they're making money, don't think that any major is just going to keep everyone on payroll if they don't have work for them. It's about how many people they need. If they're profitable but overstaffed they'll still shed. At this point we should be hoping for anything that keeps the required number of pilots high. That's what's going to save jobs. Here's my thought process. If they are back in the black next year. Making a 100m profit but overstaffed by 5000 pilots, do you think they're going to keep all 5000 on and just keep paying them not to work? The shareholders would eat them alive, because they COULD be making 150m a year by cutting the fat. Operational need is the only thing I believe will save jobs, and the 60% capacity cut drives it up. |
Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
(Post 3082871)
I would love to see some statistical proof or really anything showing that blocking the middle seats and remaining at 60% capacity is winning any prizes in the court of public opinion. Especially when the lost profit is coming directly out of the pockets of the pilot/labor groups who are going to lose their jobs October 1 because of it.
Seems Delta is determined to get more government bailout before they stop paying people NOT to ride in a half full jet... |
We’re not really dealing with reality here, we’re dealing with widely varied public perceptions of reality. I think Delta understands that. The 60% thing will probably do more for Delta in the long run than going all-in will do for American. Leisure is going to start to dry up at the end of the summer and then things will get real interesting going into flu and election season simultaneously.
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Originally Posted by pad39a
(Post 3083181)
We’re not really dealing with reality here, we’re dealing with widely varied public perceptions of reality. I think Delta understands that. The 60% thing will probably do more for Delta in the long run than going all-in will do for American. Leisure is going to start to dry up at the end of the summer and then things will get real interesting going into flu and election season simultaneously.
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
(Post 3083863)
Yes. Absolutely. Delta has always tried to position itself as the premier choice regardless of what it cost them because they know their passengers will pay a premium for it. Being the premier choice in social distancing is the next logical step for their customer base that demands a little bit higher level of service. I think at this point Delta realizes there are a finite amount of customers and anything you can do to keep them on your aircraft is better than nothing
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American is in dire straits financially, they have nothing to lose.
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NonRev today on AA
Sooooo many crew! I cannot get on a Delta flight without positive space to commute and they are not flying with frequency AA is back to already.
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They need to raise the cap. I say this because I've been seeing a lot of empty rows because family's are sitting together in the same row. I'd be perfectly fine if they went to 80% for the rest of the year.
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