Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

Well first I'm here because I still root for EDV.

Also I do miss the young guys with good questions. I get worried seeing posters like you who are so wrong, fortunately you've eroded whatever credibility you've ever had, I submit this thread as evidence of that. You've been explained how this works in the past and clearly stuck his head in the ground or you aren't smart enough to understand basic cogent thought so I say this to the other guys reading.

The EDV contract is set up on a lot of principals, one of them is encouraging a proper staffing model. Very tough junior manning restrictions combined with fixed amounts of open time percentage and very strong financial penalties in the other direction if theres too much open time (from lack of staffing). EDV is very capable of doing math, and even if they weren't, Delta is. The people writing that contract before you had a combination of bad times. Every pilot naturally thinks, "I won't pick up open time because that screws the guys on the street". There is some benefit to that except the guys looking to get open time will get it anyway. Even if you shut down open time with a gentlemans agreement (but lets be serious RayJay, no one is entering in any gentleman agreements with you), weasels will still be weasels and they'll get their money from scheduling by circumventing open time in exchange for favors. So, on top of that, when the weasels go on vacation from making deals trough scheduling will still force that flying on someone, and that causes a lot of stress. The hard times are a marathon, some choose to escape by minimizing work, like a runner with headphones, others quit. It doesn't take long when thigns turn around that every pilot is getting junior manned due to lack of staffing. The junior manning REALLY affects QOL. You wouldn't believe the moral problems you'll all feel once things get a little better and now you can't get a day off. So we tried to change that.

The contract was based on bad times coming, it's not a sunshine and rainbows contract. Despite your great pay, you could have been paid even more hourly, but the pilots before you elected to have a more robust contract to try and make life survivable in the bad times. Do what you normally do during a furlough and let the contract punish the company and bring pilots back. You can't run the company for them, but you can carrot and stick them into a straight line.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

Remember the idea of the EDV contract is to keep reserve levels low. You're in a weird place because there is no flying. Normally, when not operating in plague world, the reserves are there to cover sick time and the few trips not picked up, not share everything equally.

Don't confuse this weird time with a contract problem or a pilot problem. Just do the best you can boys and girls, remember it's just a weird time. One way or the other (furloughs or not) things will get back to normal.

Originally Posted by preflight

There has not been reserve flying in more than a year, maybe two. There was no movement for that long and there was a great excuse..."waiting on growth", now there is less movement and "plague world" excuse, soon we will be back to "growth is coming"... Fact is, reserves are not flying while people at the top fly "Max Range"...sure, it's nice to get paid to sit on you butt, however I doubt many folks came here to sit instead of fly. There is no excuse for Captain having to go to their 6 month checks with 15 hours total block since their last check!

Originally Posted by Rayjay

I do. With that being said, DL has never favored wholly owns (Comair) during downturns. Skywest always seems to come out on top.

Originally Posted by preflight

Couldn't one apply that same etiquette to open time pick-ups while reserves are flying 0.0 hours block?