I would make an argument to the contrary. Most captains on property would flow within 2-3 years which would be much easier to digest(based on whatever they decide the number is to meter up to mainline.) New hires or FOs however who have yet to upgrade are looking at a substantially longer timeline. 5-7 years? And still waiting behind all the captains and all of the pilots that were already given a shot at an interview wouldn’t sit well with me. Ball parking it obviously, as the yearly number of flowing pilots would be dynamic. Not sure why that’s attractive to any new hire once the ‘shine’ of a guaranteed seniority number wears off. Especially with the hiring that’s about to take place. I hope everyone from Endeavor makes it to mainline, but some of the logic from the more junior pilots wearing the orange lanyard has been puzzling.

Why would they decide that. They had flow-back from 07 all the way to 5/2020 when Compass shutdown. The Northwest pilots had no problem allowing flow back for scope when Compass was started. The Delta pilots had no problem passing C2012 when it allowed more large RJ’s when the 717 showed up. What has changed in the game that make those decisions look terrible?

The union will fight for meaniful #s to Delta. That means 40 to 50 a month or 75% of class size. I would venture a guess that if a flow agreement is put into place new hires could make Delta within 4 to 5 years. Obviously this is all speculation..

I'm more inclined to say a 3 year fence will be put up with all of us on property. All 900s go to mainline, including all that Skywest fly. 35 175s will go to Skywest. 200s will go away rapidly or to Skywest until 2024.

Just waiting for Delta Indoc LMS

Not a chance. 40-50 per MONTH?? How big is the entire list at endeavor now? Can’t be over 2,000. So you’re saying the entire company will turn over every 3-4 years? I’m sorry, but that’s ridiculous. The point of a flow(among other management gains) is to keep the RJ staffed. Not train them to fly one plane, not see any meaningful ROI on that investment and then send them to mainline to type in another plane.

I agree..Assuming there is a flow agreement. I bet 3/400 aren’t going to flow. Your math makes sense. Ten per month would surprise me.

How many does Envoy send? That's probably where one of the sides would start.

Ten per month wouldn't be enough to entice new hires. Forty per month is crazy talk.

Dgi is sending 10 to 15 a month.. assuming the number will double isn't a reach at all. Yes the list will turn over every 4 to 5. That's how to attract new hires to EDV.

It's not crazy to think this will happen. Delta right now has guys who are NFA returning to be requaled in the 737, right into airbus school, followed by 757 training. They are spending 1.5 years to train a guy to a position he is awarded now... these guy's are likey to see another type with the new AE. If DL wants to fix the training situation they need to train guys into their final awarded aircraft.

So because Delta royally screwed up their displacement bid creating a multi-million dollar cascading logjam and training bottleneck, they’re going to continue the lighting of cash on fire at endeavor just to get new hires in the door? I’ll take whatever you’re smoking. Endeavors training department can barely keep up with new hire training when it’s at full steam. And you think that at a rate of 50/month they’re going to somehow train new hires, conduct recurrent, and upgrade 50 captains per month? All at the same time? With 5 sims in MSP?

https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c

The North West pilots abhorred the flow agreement with compass and knew they were direct replacements for their DC9’s. It was shoved down their throats in bankruptcy.
35 717’s are parked. Delta wants to permanently replace them with the E175’s.

Precovid 60+ new hires a month with upgrades was the norm. Once they tried to surpass that number they fell apart. So yes they can. Don't forget the 2 sims in Phoenix