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Mesabah 04-20-2014 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 1626381)
One of the guys that got scooped up is the kind that will drag his paws on a mx issue to let an overnight time out so he could sleep home that night. Or sit back in the pax cabin in an out-station while dx and mx were trying desperately to get ahold of him in order to coordinate the fix on the APU with the mechanic. A really bitter dude who only cares about himself.

Then I see MvA get the finger and I just shake my head...

With that said, I do agree that all HR departments have a few slip through the cracks, and DL has done a decent job weeding out most of the losers, as stated above. It's just so hard to see so many good guys get rejected and some real tools get accepted...

Management will do whatever it wants, the guys that leave me SMH are well connected, they may have actually not scored high enough in the interview.

My guess is MvA failed the cog test, nothing else makes sense.

FlyJSH 04-20-2014 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 1626323)
Hey now, we're Minnesota Nice...

Minnesota Nice: adjective
1. A state of mind focused solely on ice fishing
"This is going to be a great Minnesota Nice weekend to catch
some perch and pickerel."
2. One who is incapable of carrying on a conversation not involving
ice fishing.
"If that dang Minnesota Nice guy shows me another dang picture
of his ice shack, I'll kill him.

CAPTAINPCL 04-20-2014 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1627094)
Minnesota Nice: adjective
1. A state of mind focused solely on ice fishing
"This is going to be a great Minnesota Nice weekend to catch
some perch and pickerel."
2. One who is incapable of carrying on a conversation not involving
ice fishing.
"If that dang Minnesota Nice guy shows me another dang picture
of his ice shack, I'll kill him.

Haha, I was just talking with my FO from California today about ice fishing.

Avroman 04-21-2014 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by saker (Post 1627016)
Would a current Endeavor Pilot pls answer the following?

how long before a new hire could get msp base? those waiting to get back to msp, how long you been waiting?

thanks in advance

A lifetime to never... Same goes for DTW. If you don't have a burning desire to be based in New York for poverty wages for your career at Endeavor, don't bother to apply. Even if ATL reopened for some reason, there's quite a line of current pilots ahead of you that would want to go first. This is a place to apply ONLY if you want to be a welfare qualifying pilot based in New York.

mooney 04-21-2014 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1627857)
This is a place to apply ONLY if you want to be a welfare qualifying pilot based in New York.

One of the VP's spoke to our class last week and could barely contain his enthusiasm for all the growing of the NYC base. The bleeding will continue from MSP and DTW to cover the NYC flying. You know how excited pilots get talking about west coast bases? Take that enthusiasm X 10 and that's how he sounded about Endeavor growing in NYC.

block30 04-21-2014 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1627863)
One of the VP's spoke to our class last week and could barely contain his enthusiasm for all the growing of the NYC base. The bleeding will continue from MSP and DTW to cover the NYC flying. You know how excited pilots get talking about west coast bases? Take that enthusiasm X 10 and that's how he sounded about Endeavor growing in NYC.

Before I am heaped with abuse, I freely admit this is what I've heard, as I haven't spoken to management folks in person....

I heard the reason being given for not even *thinking* of adjusting pay was that Endeavor's research/feedback from potential new hires showed that QOL and career progression trumped pay. Particularly, was the matter of bases and commuting.....

So the answer is to suddenly build up NYC flying and offer what commuting help??? I'm failing to see the carrot to keep people at Endeavor given those circumstances. Not looking to start fights, just the impression I get.

Avroman 04-22-2014 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 1627994)
You would be better off applying to Skywest or Compass if your ultimate goal is to be MSP based. Endeavor for the majority of it's history has been based in MSP and has favored hiring local talent. There are many pilots trying to get back to MSP. Here's an example a 11 year pilot will hold a reserve MSP 900 CA, but can hold in the top 20 lines at LGA 900 CA.

Well... that depends on which company he came from (thanks Bloch)

cencal83406 04-22-2014 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 1628028)
Yeah I was referring to former XJ. If you're 9E or 9L a 8 year guy will hold better.

Better 900 FO ;)

I just came to the realization that the award was pretty high on the "sucks-for-me" scale. The XJ protected 900 seats get my buddies approximately 50 away from alternate CA (1253 being current lowest alternate). I am junior to my friends by a bit, maybe 100 numbers, but I have to make it all the way to mid-1000 seniority for a 200 CA slot.

That being said, when life gives lemons, make lemonade (well that's all we can afford anymore haha), and I'm content flying with folks that make a 4-day enjoyable, regardless of pre-merger company.

And, in mid-2016 the fences come down!!! Woo!!!

Nantonaku 04-22-2014 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1628032)
Better 900 FO ;)

I just came to the realization that the award was pretty high on the "sucks-for-me" scale. The XJ protected 900 seats get my buddies approximately 50 away from alternate CA (1253 being current lowest alternate). I am junior to my friends by a bit, maybe 100 numbers, but I have to make it all the way to mid-1000 seniority for a 200 CA slot.

That being said, when life gives lemons, make lemonade (well that's all we can afford anymore haha), and I'm content flying with folks that make a 4-day enjoyable, regardless of pre-merger company.

And, in mid-2016 the fences come down!!! Woo!!!

I have my doubts about this place still being around in 2016. And if it is by then you might need to be in the low 500's to be a CA.

bonesbrigade 04-23-2014 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1628040)
I have my doubts about this place still being around in 2016. And if it is by then you might need to be in the low 500's to be a CA.

That's why I tell my parents that I'll either be a captain within 2 years, or never at all. No middle ground. Mgmt could do something that causes a lot of hiring and stops the fleet reduction, or it continues toward the 81 900s. I don't see anything happening in-between those two outcomes.


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