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Endeavor Interviews - READ
I did -900 differences in March and when I got to OE the check airman was telling me about how he helps with interviews.
It seems Endeavor gets plenty of applications and schedules folks for interviews, but less than half show up. Here is the kicker - if you schedule an interview and don't show, Endeavor sends your name and application to Delta HR and according to this check airman, you aren't eligible for hire at Delta, ever. This check airman has no reason to lie either. Very professional guy. So if you do schedule and interview and have no plans on taking the job, do it for practice or just call and cancel. Don't no-show. Just wanted to make that known. Aviation is too small to burn bridges. You'll find yourself stuck on an island. |
This check airman have any good info on how our staffing problems are going to "be fixed?"
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Originally Posted by Jowersman
(Post 1620816)
This check airman have any good info on how our staffing problems are going to "be fixed?"
He basically said they are un-phased by the lack of hires. Their excuse is "every airline is having problems finding pilots, so it's not us". When Phil Reed came into ground school and talked to us he basically said that "if you guys want to upgrade, then we have to keep -200s. The only way to do that is to get pilots. So get on your phones and convince your buddies to come to Endeavor." Needless to say the room fell silent. |
Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1620809)
I did -900 differences in March and when I got to OE the check airman was telling me about how he helps with interviews.
It seems Endeavor gets plenty of applications and schedules folks for interviews, but less than half show up. Here is the kicker - if you schedule an interview and don't show, Endeavor sends your name and application to Delta HR and according to this check airman, you aren't eligible for hire at Delta, ever. So if you do schedule and interview and have no plans on taking the job, do it for practice or just call and cancel. Don't no-show. Just wanted to make that known. Aviation is too small to burn bridges. You'll find yourself stuck on an island. |
Sounds like this "good news rumor" has not 1% of truth to it. It's getting harder to be optimistic these days.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 1620821)
Why does Delta care? That seems kind of far fetched, someone at Delta gets paid to collect names from someone at Endeavor, enter them into a database and compare every single applicant against a database to see if they no-showed for an Endeavor interview? Not to mention most of these applicants will not be qualified to apply to Delta for years, will this collection of names still be around then? It seems like a lot of work for nothing, I would think the employees at Endeavor and Delta have better things to do with their time. The responsible thing to do would be to cancel your interview if you can't make it but let's not fool ourselves and think that Delta cares at all about what happens at Endeavor.
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1620824)
I agree Nan, but this LCA had no reason to make it up. He wasn't gaining anything by telling me. But with how serious Delta takes their hiring, I believe it.
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Anyone who recalls some of AAs shenanigans during past hiring wave will have no trouble believing this. None whatsoever.
If you really don't think this is possible, even likely, you are naive. |
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 1620821)
It seems like a lot of work for nothing, I would think the employees at Endeavor and Delta have better things to do with their time.
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To me it seems like their biggest hurdle for new hires is their basing. Republic, Eagle, Express, and SkyWest all seem to have something for everyone to have some beacon of hope to get to. Endeavor bases = most dense and expensive part of America to live in or commute to. I guess you get to boarder Canada though.
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In a sick way, Phil Reed is correct. We don't have a definitive 200 fleet plan, however they have publicly stated that we can keep what we can staff. The more people we get, the more we keep and that also mean pre-merger 9E guys can upgrade.
Things aren't great here and they suck elsewhere as well. There are a lot of things that need to be addressed to get more people here but until it hits their bottom line I wouldn't expect much. That goes for all regionals and the crappy pay and working conditions. |
AWAC has no problems finding new hires. Why? Because they pay more. We don't even have a known future and they been full tilt boogie hiring
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The last time I went through recurrent this is what they were telling us. Anyone who no shows either the interview or class is black listed for Delta hiring in the future. This was their way (both Delta and 9e) to get people in the class rooms and stay here. Of course this could all be just one big rumour they are spreading however I think it is feasible. There are Delta people that very involved in our hiring.
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Originally Posted by ChipChelios
(Post 1620878)
AWAC has no problems finding new hires. Why? Because they pay more. We don't even have a known future and they been full tilt boogie hiring
I've said it before that the new rules are really going to prove whos who. At the end of the day, unless you already live in base (parents basement kinda deal) or have circumstances that negate poor pay, why the hell wouldn't you only go to the highest paying regionals? I applied at Horizon and AWAC. Those are the only 2. If I didn't get an interview or job I would have stayed at Cape and watched from the sidelines until things changed. |
Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1620809)
I did -900 differences in March and when I got to OE the check airman was telling me about how he helps with interviews.
It seems Endeavor gets plenty of applications and schedules folks for interviews, but less than half show up. Here is the kicker - if you schedule an interview and don't show, Endeavor sends your name and application to Delta HR and according to this check airman, you aren't eligible for hire at Delta, ever. This check airman has no reason to lie either. Very professional guy. So if you do schedule and interview and have no plans on taking the job, do it for practice or just call and cancel. Don't no-show. Just wanted to make that known. Aviation is too small to burn bridges. You'll find yourself stuck on an island. |
Originally Posted by Catboatsailor
(Post 1620910)
Meh I'll play devil's advocate. To maintain this list over the years will take too much effort. This is just a rumor.
Delta runs everything now. Payroll, hiring, every back office process that Endeavor has. It's not hard to pop a name in a database. They have one they use at Delta already. |
Lets think about this. Delta and Endeavor use Airline Apps. Both have the same minimums so one would be dumb to not apply to both, not to mention how simple it is. So say someone no shows all Delta will have to do is go find the persons app and write something in their app. They have to have some way to write remarks, that way it will always be associated with their app.
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Sounds like a big load of BS to me.
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311
(Post 1620917)
You are from colgan and no one cares what you have to say...you pollute airlinks enough as it is
I also gave 6 years to this pilot group on both the Colgan and Pinnacle MECs. I don't hide behind my keyboard using a vague screen name . My record and service speaks for itself. If you don't like that I stick up for Colgan pilots who get bashed because you got screwed out of an upgrade, then that is a personal issue you should get help with. But if defending a group of pilots who are innocent then yes I "pollute" your little flying club on airlinkpilots.com. |
Originally Posted by exwaterski
(Post 1620927)
Sounds like a big load of BS to me.
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1620809)
I did -900 differences in March and when I got to OE the check airman was telling me about how he helps with interviews.
It seems Endeavor gets plenty of applications and schedules folks for interviews, but less than half show up. Here is the kicker - if you schedule an interview and don't show, Endeavor sends your name and application to Delta HR and according to this check airman, you aren't eligible for hire at Delta, ever. This check airman has no reason to lie either. Very professional guy. So if you do schedule and interview and have no plans on taking the job, do it for practice or just call and cancel. Don't no-show. Just wanted to make that known. Aviation is too small to burn bridges. You'll find yourself stuck on an island. I would think, if you schedule an interview with any airline, either show up or cancel, it is that simple. |
I too have heard that HR is doing this to no shows, either for interview or class, from a CRJ-200 check airman who also sits on some new hire interview panels. Resounding what was already said, show up or graciously cancel...common courtesy really.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 1620821)
Why does Delta care? That seems kind of far fetched, someone at Delta gets paid to collect names from someone at Endeavor, enter them into a database and compare every single applicant against a database to see if they no-showed for an Endeavor interview? Not to mention most of these applicants will not be qualified to apply to Delta for years, will this collection of names still be around then? It seems like a lot of work for nothing, I would think the employees at Endeavor and Delta have better things to do with their time. The responsible thing to do would be to cancel your interview if you can't make it but let's not fool ourselves and think that Delta cares at all about what happens at Endeavor.
Originally Posted by tom14cat14
(Post 1620893)
The last time I went through recurrent this is what they were telling us. Anyone who no shows either the interview or class is black listed for Delta hiring in the future. This was their way (both Delta and 9e) to get people in the class rooms and stay here. Of course this could all be just one big rumour they are spreading however I think it is feasible. There are Delta people that very involved in our hiring.
Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 1620918)
Why is this hard to believe?
Delta runs everything now. Payroll, hiring, every back office process that Endeavor has. It's not hard to pop a name in a database. They have one they use at Delta already.
Originally Posted by MrMustache
(Post 1620921)
Lets think about this. Delta and Endeavor use Airline Apps. Both have the same minimums so one would be dumb to not apply to both, not to mention how simple it is. So say someone no shows all Delta will have to do is go find the persons app and write something in their app. They have to have some way to write remarks, that way it will always be associated with their app.
Originally Posted by pa28dakota
(Post 1620968)
I too have heard that HR is doing this to no shows, either for interview or class, from a CRJ-200 check airman who also sits on some new hire interview panels. Resounding what was already said, show up or graciously cancel...common courtesy really.
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What kind of entitled toolbag no shows to an interview (and even worse for class) without notifying?
I really don't blame them if they do actually do this. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1621006)
What kind of entitled toolbag no shows to an interview (and even worse for class) without notifying?
I really don't blame them if they do actually do this. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1621006)
What kind of entitled toolbag no shows to an interview (and even worse for class) without notifying?
I really don't blame them if they do actually do this.
Originally Posted by smackahoCEO
(Post 1612316)
With a couple thousand hours of 121 jet pic, and presently employed I have accepted a class date at Mesa airlines.
I will not be showing up. Sooner or later if a lot of people do this, they will stop poaching. |
Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler
(Post 1621014)
Where is the picture of that white kid in the fur coat that was floating around here for a while? That would be my guess.
http://global3.memecdn.com/douchebag...g_o_942285.jpg |
Sounds like a presidential pardon, if you ask me! Maybe if delta merges with your carrier, they'll give you a severance since you're not good enough to work there. Peace.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1621006)
What kind of entitled toolbag no shows to an interview (and even worse for class) without notifying?
I really don't blame them if they do actually do this. |
Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
(Post 1621111)
ASA had a brand new FO on his first IOE leave the captain stranded at the layover and flew home. This doesn't surprise me in the least...
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Originally Posted by Beech90
(Post 1621115)
Wow. How long ago was that? Talk about a douche. I'm sorry, but people like that deserve to be black listed from any and all airlines. Actually, they deserve to be black listed in aviation.
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In class at Mesa now. Captain before the third Clinton administration.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 1621121)
Quitting without 14 days notice is a PRIA reportable event.
Read this. Educate yourself. http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...20and%20PA.rtf http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...rotections.rtf Specifically: 3. Disciplinary Actions that are unrelated to a termination or release from employment, and have been imposed on a pilot by the employer, should only be reported if they involve the individual’s performance as a pilot, and have not been subsequently overturned. Other employment related actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s flight duties resulting in a disciplinary action, but not discharge or termination, should not be reported. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(1)(B)(ii)(II)) 4. Release From Employment Records. All disciplinary actions, however, including those that do not involve performance as a pilot, must be reported if they played any role in the current or future termination or release from employment of the pilot. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(1)(B)(ii)(III)) So even if you set the parking brake in the middle of a trip, and walk off the job, you've quit. I. E. Resigned. You cannot be fired for quitting. You self terminated. Therefore the above does not apply. |
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 1621121)
Quitting without 14 days notice is a PRIA reportable event.
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Originally Posted by ckelley
(Post 1621127)
In class at Mesa now. Captain before the third Clinton administration.
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
(Post 1621111)
ASA had a brand new FO on his first IOE leave the captain stranded at the layover and flew home.
The question is...did he use JS or non-rev benefits to get home before the airline figured it out? :eek: |
Originally Posted by Falcon900pilot
(Post 1621172)
Where on earth did you get this idea?
Originally Posted by sandlapper223
(Post 1621172)
Say what? PRIA is designed for prospective employers to evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant’s training, experience, qualification, and safety background. That's it. No mas.
Read this. Educate yourself. Please be aware that two-week notices are recorded within your PRIA. Recently, there have been pilots who have submitted Resignation notices without the standard two-weeks, all while not realizing this is recorded in the PRIA records and also, some didn’t know what PRIA was. Please educate yourself with PRIAs and note that the “no 2-weeks given” will stay on your PRIA for at least 5 years. |
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 1621196)
I am not a lawyer, this is from ALPA and they have lawyers on staff that I have to believe know more about this than most of us:
(2) The hiring employer will ask your previous employer(s) to provide records pertaining to you, except for those related to flight time, duty time, or rest time. They will provide records on your performance as a pilot concerning your training, qualifications, proficiency, and professional competence, including any comments or evaluations by check airmen; any disciplinary actions that the previous employer did not overturn; and any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification from employment. Additionally, under PRIA, your former Department of Transportation (DOT)-regulated employer(s) will provide records of drug and alcohol tests performed under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (49 CFR) part 40, even if the employers were not aviation entities. (3) The air carrier or air operator should maintain PRIA-related records for the duration of your employment with them and an additional period of 5 years after the termination of that employment. Anyone possessing PRIA-related records must ensure that individuals not involved in the hiring process do not view or have access to your records. The one exception is the FAA inspector, who cannot be denied access to a PRIA-related system of records when conducting surveillance or inspection. However, when viewing such records, the FAA inspector must make every effort to protect your privacy and the confidentiality of your PRIA-related records. d. Records Concerning Disciplinary Actions. Your previous employer must report any disciplinary actions that involved your performance as a pilot in which they did not subsequently overturn and did not involve termination or release from employment. Your previous employer must report all disciplinary actions, including those that did not involve your performance as a pilot, if they played any role in your termination or release from employment. a. Pilot Performance. Furnish records pertaining to the individual’s performance as a pilot, including: (1) Initial and recurrent training records. (2) Records concerning qualifications, proficiency, or professional competence of the individual, including comments and evaluations made by a check airman designated under § 121.411, § 125.295, or § 135.337. For example, documents that show the individual’s qualifications as instructor/evaluator, check airman, or examiner; and records of the individual’s proficiency checks (recurring checks for captain, first officer, or line checks). (3) Records of any disciplinary action(s) that the employer did not subsequently overturn, if these disciplinary actions pertained to the individual’s performance as a pilot. (4) Any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification of the individual with respect to employment. b. Disciplinary Actions that Resulted in Termination of Employment. Report any disciplinary actions you took against the pilot that played any role in the individual’s termination or release from employment. c. Disciplinary Actions Involving Pilot’s Performance. Only report disciplinary actions unrelated to an individual’s termination or release from employment if the actions involved the individual’s performance as a pilot and the employer did not subsequently overturn them. You should not report other employment-related actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s aeronautical duties that resulted in a disciplinary action, but did not result in discharge or termination. |
Even though it's not PRIA reportable, you stil have to explain where you got a CL-601 type from, and why you only have one flight in your logbook.
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