My ass. Your checkride was decided within the first 5 minutes. It would be fantastic if he decided you were a good guy, and awful for those who didn't pass the test. He was a terrible evaluator.

He's talking about theoretical ground controlled airliners with one "pilot" babysitter.

Yes, I have flown with a Colgan pilot. :D


Just kidding...........

Too soon. :D

I'm surprised... You seem like a witty guy. Just a pet peeve about guys that forgot where they came from.

If you survive Pinnacle, it's hard to forget where you came from. No matter how hard you try.

That's what I thought as well. Guess not.

I was having a tough time seeing the humor in your post... seemed a bit vindictive. How on earth is me remembering how bad the schoolhouse blew at 9E forgetting where I came from?? I thought it sucked horribly back then and that opinion hasn't changed. :)

No vindictiveness. Some of your previous posts were a subtle bagging on those still at pinnacle. It just surprised me.

Hard to believe 17 pages of nonsense has been generated from this meaningless post.

Is it really though?

You should change your posts per page my man. I only see 5 pages of non-sense.

Btw, directly from folks who have, or will interview SSP at Delta... Don't mention to your interviewer how great a fit you might be because you already fly Delta pax. It's been getting people shot down. Well, that and skeletons. :D

I brought this up during the Delta interview prep workshop with the mgr of pilot selection at Delta. He said any past history of working under the Delta brand and/or serving Delta pax would only be a positive. I think it all depends on how you convey that experience. Your job history will obviously bring it to light. I think if you offer nothing else and thank you're automatically what they are looking for just because you fly for a DCI carrier than you might do more harm than good.

Well put. So much about interviewing is how you put things. If you start saying that you should basically be handed the job because you have already been flying DL passengers, you're going to get the "don't come back." If you relay that you take pride in carrying DL passengers, go the extra mile for them and provide excellent customer service on top of your pilot job... then the job is yours to be had.

Ha, I have heard a lot of complaints about the SSP, funny though, getting hired at a legacy is a lot easier than getting a "legacy pay equivalent" job elsewhere. I have a friend that just got hired at Pixar Studios, his interview process was just shy of ten years long, and all that to top out at $120K.

It's very concerning to me that MvA was not hired at Delta via the SSP, if there was one guy at this airline I would have thought Delta would pick, it would be him. He is a stand up guy, very professional and incredibly smart. Then, there is the issue of some of the misfits that Delta has hired, very confusing.

MvA is a bit of a surprise... however, I had one particularly confusing run in with him. After they implemented procedures that for a time restricted extending the flaps until after second engine start, I questioned him when I was in the schoolhouse on the fact that it excluded the the possibility of single engine taxi since several spoilers would stay white until flap extension that brought the B pumps online (since the taxi check would fail the flight control check). He began to sharply quiz me on aircraft systems without understanding of real aircraft functionality outside of the sim...while being very defensive of what convoluted procedure the puzzle palace had developed. The procedure changed after a couple months...

I can't overstress that he is overall a good guy, and it's too bad he didn't make the score needed to come over to the dark side. He has a good demeanor and would have made a good van admiral. Hopefully he just busted one of the computer tests and can get a second chance.

AFAIK he is eligible to reapply in a year or whatever time frame it normally is.
I've talked to a couple other capts who know him, and their best guess is it was his quiet demeanor that put the HR people off. You know, those HR people who have no piloting skills whatsoever.
Another captain raised the quesion that mVanA came across as way too smart for the "Captain oriented culture at Delta".
With the secret squirrel ways the airlines have in regards to hiring selection, I'm sure that HE doesn't even know why he failed.
I'll say though that Delta is really losing out if they continually deny guys like him.
Also there is the possibility that Endeavor simply couldn't afford to lose hm.

Couldn't agree more. Delta HR still managed to strike out on several of 9E's "finest" that fell through their cracks, guys that were total complainers all day-every day, worst of attitudes, really negative dudes... Confusing.

I do see how MvA could've been too "quiet" of a guy. Still think he could've been a great asset to DL or any airline.

They have hired a lot of really good people. The process is far from infallible however, I know of a couple doozies that were hired. One guy probably couldn't get hired at another regional is now a Delta pilot. When people hear he got hired literally everyone has the same reaction, extreme disbelief. The process definetly has its flaws if people like this are slippping in. If the process is failing to weed out some of the worst, most annoying pilots (and people) out there then they should just give everyone a number and be done with it. Even with the strict vetting process their pilot population is still going to end up with the 1%, no better and no worse than the general population of pilots.

For the most part I think Delta hires very good guys/gals, but they also hire some of the worst pilots that couldn't get hired ANYWHERE else. For me there is one Captain that comes to mind, he was hired 4-5 years ago. I remember him telling me he had a Delta interview coming up, I had to hold back laughing from thinking to myself how bad he was going to fail the interview. He was the worst pilot I have ever flown, he was very unprofessional and incompetent on all levels. He had just been turned down by 2 other major airlines, but somehow he was magically hired by Delta.

If he was allowed to reapply then he failed one or more of the tests. Don't overcomplicate things.

That happens at other majors as well.. each have their loopholes. Guys that got turned down by DL and UA got hired by NW... guys that got turned down by NW and DL got on at UA, and so on. I've looked at the list very closely and none of my "holy crap this isn't working" have made it through. They may turn away a bit more than they should, but it's a conservative company. One of my favorite guys got turned down in 2010. There were only a couple 9E guys that were hired in the 2010 cycle, which is the only cycle since 2008... do you speak of the MEM guy that did some union work? I've never heard anything bad about him.

I think he might have been 2008 hire, he was a MSP CA. I agree every airline has it's loopholes and some bad apples slip through the cracks, I was just shocked when this guy somehow pulled the wool over the panel.

Ah, I didn't know many MSP guys. Bunch of weirdos to begin with. ;)

Hey now, we're Minnesota Nice...

One of the guys that got scooped up is the kind that will drag his paws on a mx issue to let an overnight time out so he could sleep home that night. Or sit back in the pax cabin in an out-station while dx and mx were trying desperately to get ahold of him in order to coordinate the fix on the APU with the mechanic. A really bitter dude who only cares about himself.

Then I see MvA get the finger and I just shake my head...

With that said, I do agree that all HR departments have a few slip through the cracks, and DL has done a decent job weeding out most of the losers, as stated above. It's just so hard to see so many good guys get rejected and some real tools get accepted...

Would a current Endeavor Pilot pls answer the following?

how long before a new hire could get msp base? those waiting to get back to msp, how long you been waiting?

thanks in advance

I wouldn't even want to tell you how long people have been waiting because past performance has nothing to do with the future.

But I will tell you that MSP is displacing people at the moment and nothing indicates that they will reverse that trend.

I see MSP being senior for a few years at a minimum.

Maybe never, it is in Delta's best cost interest to put all of Endeavor in LGA/JFK/ATL. If DAL cancels our flight, DAL doesn't have to pay us like the other FFD carriers.

Management will do whatever it wants, the guys that leave me SMH are well connected, they may have actually not scored high enough in the interview.

My guess is MvA failed the cog test, nothing else makes sense.

Minnesota Nice: adjective
1. A state of mind focused solely on ice fishing
"This is going to be a great Minnesota Nice weekend to catch
some perch and pickerel."
2. One who is incapable of carrying on a conversation not involving
ice fishing.
"If that dang Minnesota Nice guy shows me another dang picture
of his ice shack, I'll kill him.

Haha, I was just talking with my FO from California today about ice fishing.

A lifetime to never... Same goes for DTW. If you don't have a burning desire to be based in New York for poverty wages for your career at Endeavor, don't bother to apply. Even if ATL reopened for some reason, there's quite a line of current pilots ahead of you that would want to go first. This is a place to apply ONLY if you want to be a welfare qualifying pilot based in New York.

One of the VP's spoke to our class last week and could barely contain his enthusiasm for all the growing of the NYC base. The bleeding will continue from MSP and DTW to cover the NYC flying. You know how excited pilots get talking about west coast bases? Take that enthusiasm X 10 and that's how he sounded about Endeavor growing in NYC.

Before I am heaped with abuse, I freely admit this is what I've heard, as I haven't spoken to management folks in person....

I heard the reason being given for not even *thinking* of adjusting pay was that Endeavor's research/feedback from potential new hires showed that QOL and career progression trumped pay. Particularly, was the matter of bases and commuting.....

So the answer is to suddenly build up NYC flying and offer what commuting help??? I'm failing to see the carrot to keep people at Endeavor given those circumstances. Not looking to start fights, just the impression I get.

Well... that depends on which company he came from (thanks Bloch)

Better 900 FO ;)

I just came to the realization that the award was pretty high on the "sucks-for-me" scale. The XJ protected 900 seats get my buddies approximately 50 away from alternate CA (1253 being current lowest alternate). I am junior to my friends by a bit, maybe 100 numbers, but I have to make it all the way to mid-1000 seniority for a 200 CA slot.

That being said, when life gives lemons, make lemonade (well that's all we can afford anymore haha), and I'm content flying with folks that make a 4-day enjoyable, regardless of pre-merger company.

And, in mid-2016 the fences come down!!! Woo!!!

I have my doubts about this place still being around in 2016. And if it is by then you might need to be in the low 500's to be a CA.

That's why I tell my parents that I'll either be a captain within 2 years, or never at all. No middle ground. Mgmt could do something that causes a lot of hiring and stops the fleet reduction, or it continues toward the 81 900s. I don't see anything happening in-between those two outcomes.