Endeavor Conference Call
 

Heard a few interesting tidbits

By far the most interesting was no planned upgrades until 2nd quarter 2015.

Also interesting was that endeavor will be hiring a company to promote the endeavor name not to passengers but to prospective pilots!

Confirmed no b scale or flow talks whatsoever. Possible SSP modifications!

Friends don't let friends Endeavor

Enjoying the benefits of your "yes" vote i see.

Endeavor Conference Call
 

They said they had some technical difficulties recording the call so it won't be released to the rest of the pilots.

you missed literally nothing

- Endeavor Air
 

I was asked to clarify information regarding the potential for upgrades described in prior posts in this Forum regarding the timing and duration of upgrades and pay retention for Captains moving to FO.

Captain upgrades will occur in most, if not all realignments, as our pilots outflow to Delta, etc.

The reference to 2nd quarter was in response to a more targeted question regarding the timing of a return of those downgraded returning to a Captain's position. The response was that the worst case scenario indicated the end of Q2 for the last downgraded pilot, but that anticipation was that all would be restored in early 2015.

Thanks to all who participated.

It's funny every time I see the name "Endeavor" I still ask who is that? Good luck to everyone bailing. Unlike 2008 there are a ton of places hiring.

In this day and age with the better tier commuters hiring (AWAC, SkyWest, etc) I'm not sure why someone would go to other places unless they had a skeleton in the closet. The entire idea behind going to a crap company is a quick upgrade to GTFO, without that there is not much of a reason to pick them.

Sure with the little asterisk that those spots will not be restored in DTW, MSP, ATL, or MEM... they will be restored in New York.

We really need to add another category on the system bid sheet. They need to add Resign as a position. I have talked to plenty of people that are with me in saying if I am displaced resignation will be next. I will not commute for 37k with no upgrade in sight.

That was the exact reason that caused me to leave. Nobody deserves to be treated and compensated that poorly. Nobody. What a joke of an operation.

I should have bailed to a different regional I guess.

They could find themselves with 30% of the company quitting on one notice potentially. :eek:

Endeavor Conference Call
 

If they could hire they wouldn't have to downgrade in the first place. If the "big news" is not flow or 50k/yr for FO's it's not going to work. Take republic for example. They are giving away free Starbucks gift cards and somehow still can't staff the airline.

I've been trying really hard to maintain my optimism with regards to this company. Going on ten years here, and all I do is go backwards in both pay and quality of life. Now I'm more inclined to believe the ex Comair guys that would say, that's how it started out with us, and it'll be no different with you. Delta appears to be full of empty promises, and are flat out lying to us. I find it hard to believe that they are dumb enough to think that their actions go along with making Endeavor the "best "regional". They realize that they're unable to attract new hires or even retain a lot of the FO's, but they won't change anything to make things better. In my opinion their lack of actions are deliberate, and they'll just let this company shrink, and then blame the new ATP rules for their inability to hire. Then they'll have another huge tax write off like they did with Comair. Disclaimer: I didn't listen to the conference call, and this is only my opinion!

I took my free type rating, 6 month paid vacation and bonus bribe...sent them my resignation by singing telegram and walked away from that explosion in 2012. I have yet to regret it.

If every regional thinks it will fly to blame the 1500 hr rule for their hiring problems, I would love to see them explain why Delta, United, American, Jetblue, etc dont have those same problems.

Please tell me this is true! :D

This thread has brought out the finest people.

Didn't get a chance to ask on the call, why is FO pay unacceptable for those downgrading, but perfectly acceptable for those of us stuck there? The answer that the CAs will be hurt by the pay because they have been spending at a CA pay level is complete crap. They know where they are on the list and have known that it was coming for years and should have been saving for the eventuality. Those of us who are just stuck as FOs at the current rate haven't had the opportunity to build up a cushion for the low rates. So if my pay rate is too low for them to live on, why is it high enough for me? What, they don't sell Ramen where the downgrades live?

I see another spike in attrition. Maybe this is what they want, get as many current employees to quit.

Yeah, that LOA is just another example of inequitable treatment amongst different groups of pilots on the seniority list at Endeavor Air. If it had not been a mutually agreed upon LOA, it would be very close to being considered as workplace discrimination. Being that it was mutually agreed upon however, makes it just wrong and unfair on so many levels.

This LOA, might have seemed like a great idea at surface level, but after very little digging, it is easy to see that it only benefits a small and select group of downgraded captains..... While at the same time, this LOA is slighting about 900 other pilots on the seniority list. Do they really want/need to give any more reasons to the pilots of Endeavor to be disgruntled?

If that really is Phil Reed posting, then I want you to know that I've appreciated you not sugar coating things when I've heard you talk in the past. What you read on here about our pilot group is accurate. I've never met a group so universally dissatisfied with their employer before. To the degree that I am AMAZED that we can still get any flights in the air. The situation here needs to change before the pilot group melts down. It often seems that the company does things just to make us miserable and show that they can get away with it. At times it's borderline sadistic.

Being an a s s hole for no particular reason I see.

Well from my perspective I'd rather be downgraded and keep my captain pay rather than go to New York and sit reserve. The ones that are pay protected will be able to hold 15-20 days off, be based where they want, and make bank picking up premium pay trips. Friken Delta.

They're like the schoolyard bully. They sit and look for someone to pick on

Or they're just upset because they're getting lashings from their mgmt because Endeavor signed a remarkable contract that gives D a better cost structure, and helped create an anomaly where companies are recruiting new pilots with bonuses and asking for concessions at the same time.

For those of us on the sidelines, without poking the hornets nest, how/why are downgraded CAs not going to FO pay?

They signed an LOA giving downgraded captains pay protection. However I have not read it so I am not sure if it says you have to not be able to hold any captain slot.

Short answer: Company offered it last minute, "Union" reps voted on it and agreed to give it a pass. Shook hands, put it down on an LOA and made it official.

End result: **** everybody off.

"Divide and Conquer"

Because the our MEC and the company feel that our Captains have gotten used to a certain economic lifestyle and would be affected by the low pay scale that FO's have endured for some, over 8 years!!!

It's jus absolutely ridiculous how the company treats it's employees. I hope that many quit and leave them trying to figure out how to put planes in the air. I for one am working on my options right now and my prospects are much better outside of aviation.

Wishing luck to my fellow 9E pilots in their transition. If I were a new pilot, I wouldn't apply here...

From what I understand if you volunteer to leave your seat... (ie you could hold LGA 900 CA but choose MSP 900 FO so you don't have to commute) you go to FO pay not CA pay...

Because that's what corporate weasels do. They could care less about how your friends perceive your integrity as long as your fixing their problems.

Were the majority of the reps captains ? :eek:

If you can't meet the standards...lower the standards? :confused:

I am guessing the only thing they will change is to make it available to any new hire and maybe increase the number per month.

Well, they have to meet the quota they promised in exchange for concessions, right?

Wouldn't that open up the opportunity for a grievance for other downgrades? Couldn't they argue that they too should have held CA pay?

I'm not privy to the specifics of what the promised quota is. That being said, the basic standards should be the same. Keep in mind that the ssp's will still need to make it through training, OE and probation. I'd be curious to see what the success rate is with the quota crowd.

I would not touch bendeavor witha 10 foot pole **

What standards?

The company does not want to lose any more pilots. They know most of those downgrades would probably leave. A good move if you ask me. They need to give the other downgrades the same deal. As an Fo, If I don't see an substantial increase in pay in the next two week, I will put my two weeks in