mooney

I've always been a fairly optimistic person, and Express/Pinnacle/Endeavor has treated me well (for the most part). But right now I wouldn't write a letter of recommendation to come here for my own kids (if I had any at that age). I really think this letter was the beginning of the end. (it was slowly dying before, but now the family is starting to gather by the bedside). Best case scenario...a few dozen 900's flown by the super senior who live in base (or have a mistress in NYC) and are too old/family etc to move somewhere else who will ride it out till the lights go out. People who were content here 2 years ago are bailing left and right. If you have solid backup plans, don't mind 8 years of reserve FO in NYC, crappy morale, and clueless upper mgmt, by all means come here. The only good part of working here is the fellow pilots I work with, it's a great group overall.

Yumyum

I wouldn't recommend it for many reasons. The overall morale at this company is really low. I think you could go to another regional and make more money and not have to listen to all the *****ing and complaining at Endeavor. If you happen to live in the NY area, maybe it's worth a shot, but I would probably pass. There is a ton of bad things going on at Endeavor...just in the last two months there has been a couple LOA's that the company and ALPA approved without once asking the pilot group first. Things like captain pay to pilots displaced to the right seat. That created another sh!t storm over here and I can understand why. Regarding furloughs, I'm not sure what's in store for us, but the only reason I can hold captain after 10 years, is due to the Bloch award quotas....when those expire there will be 10-13 years captains displaced by others who put in half the time. This is why many want out. Good luck wherever you go.

Nantonaku

Why do you care about being in danger of furlough if you go to Endeavor? You aren't asking the right questions. If all you want is jet time go anywhere, every single regional is hiring. If you get furloughed you could have another jet job lined up before the furlough letter reaches your mailbox.

pete2800

Based on what sources?

I'll never say never, but I'd bet my next paycheck that this won't happen. Alaska has been very resistant to any sort of flow agreement. The best we've been able to get is a 'gentlemen's agreement' that a third of their interviews would be from Horizon.



This comparison is massively dumb for a variety of reasons, but I'll just touch on a few.

Professional sports have hard limits on rosters. There are a certain number of teams, and those teams have roster limits. No amount of management decisions will increase that.

Airlines, on the other hand, can increase or decrease job quantity at will, providing the scope clauses of their contracts aren't exceeded. Delta could have ALL of the people on their 'major league' team if they wanted. You can't have a 200-player baseball team.


Sports teams with "farm" systems make no bones about the fact that their AAA affiliate is not of the same caliber as their major-league team. That is, in fact, the very point of having a farm system.

Meanwhile, airlines attempt to convince the public that there is "one level of safety" while trying to convince the pilots that only the most wonderful and talented are deserving of a mainline job. I do the exact same job for the exact same management and the exact same customers as my mainline counterparts. My pants are black rather than blue, and therefore my pay is 1/3 of what it otherwise would be. Either there is one level of safety with two levels of pay, or there isn't actually one level of safety. Management must pick one. They can't have both.


A sports team will have it's own branding, and deliver on the product the customer actually purchased. The Tacoma Raniers do not play in front of people who have purchased tickets to a Seattle Mariners game, nor do people expect to see a major league team, but get to the stadium and find a AA affiliate filling in for them. Furthermore, a team does it's own sales. Mariners.com doesn't sell Tacoma Raniers tickets or merchandise.

And airline will once again attempt to cover the gap between carriers by putting "operated by..." in small print on the reservation page. You buy a Delta ticket, but get a product from SkyWest, Endeavor, etc. The sales departments are combined, and so are the products.

jethikoki

Great post!!!
Another aspect is that it pits one pilot group against the other. The ONLY difference between any DCA or SkyWest pilot then a Delta pilot is there are some DAL pilots that took Delta's SAT and panel interview while some took another test at their airline before merging at DAL. What ever side you wish to take doesn't really matter much but plays into managements ability to achieve better terms in agreements and contracts to managements favor while groups are not totally united.

Purple Drank

Really?

filler

vilcas

All Endeavor Pilots be very careful. Remember regardless of Deltas shenanigans you have a job to do. If you are not prepared to do it properly stay home. Don't come to work and allow your frustration blind you. Regional pilots put up with a lot of garbage, its an unfortunate state of the industry, but the passengers that board your airplane are entitled to a safe operation. Try to rise above and act professionally.

Deice Press

Hahahahhahahahhaha. Oh Vilcas, please find a hole to die in...

80ktsClamp

That's pretty classless. What did he say that was wrong?

tom14cat14

He is making some very good points. There is a lot of stress on guys right now so everyone really needs to remember we still have a job to do.