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MrMustache 06-12-2014 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1663597)
If the EtD is cancelled, those already hired will be grandfathered in.

Your individual flow rights can be cancelled at anytime though. That's what he's getting at.

TeddyKGB 06-12-2014 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1663382)
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Justdoinmyjob 06-13-2014 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1663457)
Here is ALPA upon hearing that Delta cancelled the EtD program.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k07pirzBU3...0/HansBrix.jpg

Why would ALPA be upset that the EtD as cancelled? DALPA certainly wouldn't be. ALPA had no part in negotiating this POS. It is solely an agreement between the management teams of Delta and Endeavor. It is not codified in any PWA, CBA, LOA. Hell, if isn't even written in any legally binding way, shape, or form.

CarolinaAngler 06-13-2014 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1663633)
Your individual flow rights can be cancelled at anytime though. That's what he's getting at.

Who has flow rights?

pagey 06-13-2014 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1663633)
Your individual flow rights can be cancelled at anytime though. That's what he's getting at.

So if you're hired under this program they can just come back and cancel your individual rights at any time?

That doesn't sound right.

Magpuller 06-13-2014 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1664082)
So if you're hired under this program they can just come back and cancel your individual rights at any time?

That doesn't sound right.

You are damn skippy they they can!

Nothing in this industry is protected unless it's in a legally binding form, i.e LOA, MOU, CBA etc...and even then a company can do whatever they want and force a grievance and hope they will win in arbitration.

Anyone thinking of going to Endevour for this deal really really needs to understand the fine print...

Mesabah 06-13-2014 01:27 PM

The EtD candidate has a legal CJO document signed between them, and Delta management. If you are accepted through the EtD program, you will be a Delta pilot provided you play ball with 9E management. They can cancel the program at any time, however pilots previously accepted will be grandfathered in, and become Delta pilots.

Apps are flooding in, that means, ASA, Skywest, etc will have their rates reset because 9E is now viable.

Avroman 06-13-2014 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1663597)
If the EtD is cancelled, those already hired will be grandfathered in.

Sure.... try selling that to the supposedly guaranteed flow Mesaba pilots.... 980 of about 1060 would disagree with you.

Avroman 06-13-2014 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1664132)
The EtD candidate has a legal CJO document signed between them, and Delta management. If you are accepted through the EtD program, you will be a Delta pilot provided you play ball with 9E management. They can cancel the program at any time, however pilots previously accepted will be grandfathered in, and become Delta pilots.

Apps are flooding in, that means, ASA, Skywest, etc will have their rates reset because 9E is now viable.

Word is 85% are either not qualified or are rejected by Delta as "not Delta material".... The smartest thing American could do is hold a job fair in MSP, DTW, and NYC..... Endeavor would shut down in a month.

block30 06-13-2014 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1664353)
Sure.... try selling that to the supposedly guaranteed flow Mesaba pilots.... 980 of about 1060 would disagree with you.

Well that got canceled with the merger.

1. Who is Delta going to merge with, or what Delta merger would the government even approve of now?

2. Who would Delta merge with and *not* be in the drivers seat?

I just don't see either case happening.

Further, I don't see flows being taken away carte blanche or en masse...not in this environment. Yeah, I could see individuals ticking off Delta and losing their flow, or the flow being stopped *after* a certain date. However I think the language is fairly clear that those who get the nod have a flow which is theirs to lose.


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