Originally Posted by MrMustache
(Post 1664562)
Are you serious? They have it written in there that it's not a guarantee. They can do whatever they please. This is an agreement between only the individual and Delta. Delta has the control with being able to have the discretion of cancelling it as they see fit.
The regional rate reset is worth serious money, greater than $15 billion over the next decade, they will do anything to keep 9E on life support. The EtD is only the first step in this process, there are several more programs coming to get people here. |
Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler
(Post 1660960)
Those hired through the program are guaranteed ajob at Delta. There is just no guarantee on how long it will last.
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
(Post 1664386)
What if... they dismantled Endeavor or sold it off
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1664558)
You do understand that if Delta shuts down Endeavor, and doesn't honor the EtD, it's fraud, right? The whole point of the EtD, is that people accept to work at slave wages for the promise of a future job at Delta. They can't even get out of these EtD agreements by declaring bankruptcy.
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Originally Posted by todd1200
(Post 1664576)
They would be honoring the EtD. If they shut down before anyone hired under EtD meets the requirements, then no one is entitled to a job.
The only scenario where Delta can get out of the EtD is if the candidate fails to fulfill their end of the bargain set out in the EtD agreement. This also includes if the EtD candidate goes on strike. If 9E shuts down, that is of no fault or failure of the EtD candidate, thus they go to Delta. |
Originally Posted by Avroman
(Post 1664353)
Sure.... try selling that to the supposedly guaranteed flow Mesaba pilots.... 980 of about 1060 would disagree with you.
I am only looking for clarification and to gain a better understanding of the issue. |
Originally Posted by Hillbilly
(Post 1664585)
Are you saying only 80 XJ pilots flowed to Delta? Or is this tied to when XJ was purchased, thus triggering a termination of the flow? Instead the parties met and modified the agreement in lieu of termination and only those pilots who qualified for the flow at that time were grandfathered. That was my understanding.
I am only looking for clarification and to gain a better understanding of the issue. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1664583)
If 9E is shut down, would that be the fault of Delta, or the EtD pilot?
The only scenario where Delta can get out of the EtD is if the candidate fails to fulfill their end of the bargain set out in the EtD agreement. This also includes if the EtD candidate goes on strike. If 9E shuts down, that is of no fault or failure of the EtD candidate, thus they go to Delta. -------------------- Pilots offered employment at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment after June 15, 2014, will, upon becoming and remaining eligible per the terms described in this document, be offered employment as Delta pilots. ... if such a candidate becomes and remains eligible per the terms described in this document, then Delta will honor its commitment and an Endeavor pilot will, upon becoming and remaining eligible, have the choice whether to accept the offer. ... The EtD Commitment will serve as the “ticket” to Delta for successful candidates who meet and maintain eligibility and demonstrate performance at Endeavor. ... Once offered employment at Endeavor, an applicant will receive the opportunity to be hired at Delta under the EtD Commitment based on the applicant’s subsequent employment and seniority at Endeavor and subject to the eligibility requirements set out in the EtD Commitment offer. ... 3. Eligibility Requirements. Notwithstanding an Endeavor pilot’s active status at Endeavor and receipt of the EtD Commitment when offered employment at Endeavor, each EtD Commitment pilot must meet the following requirements on the date the pilot is offered a new-hire class at Delta to be considered eligible and thereafter remain eligible pursuant to the following: ... a) Qualifications i. Possess a four (4)-year degree from an accredited university; ii. Possess, or obtain before the date of hire at Delta, a current yellow fever vaccination; iii. Have served at least two (2) years in active status as a Captain for Endeavor; ... Grandfather Rights. Any Endeavor pilot who has been hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment will be deemed to have retained rights to be hired at Delta as specified in his EtD Commitment Letter and under the terms and provisions stated therein, regardless of whether the program has been terminated |
Originally Posted by todd1200
(Post 1664607)
It says over and over that a pilot hired under the agreement has to meet the eligibility requirements in order to go to Delta. Those requirements include 2 years as a captain at Endeavor. I don't see anything about assigning fault in the event that a pilot doesn't meet the requirements for whatever reason.
-------------------- Pilots offered employment at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment after June 15, 2014, will, upon becoming and remaining eligible per the terms described in this document, be offered employment as Delta pilots. ... if such a candidate becomes and remains eligible per the terms described in this document, then Delta will honor its commitment and an Endeavor pilot will, upon becoming and remaining eligible, have the choice whether to accept the offer. ... The EtD Commitment will serve as the “ticket” to Delta for successful candidates who meet and maintain eligibility and demonstrate performance at Endeavor. ... Once offered employment at Endeavor, an applicant will receive the opportunity to be hired at Delta under the EtD Commitment based on the applicant’s subsequent employment and seniority at Endeavor and subject to the eligibility requirements set out in the EtD Commitment offer. ... 3. Eligibility Requirements. Notwithstanding an Endeavor pilot’s active status at Endeavor and receipt of the EtD Commitment when offered employment at Endeavor, each EtD Commitment pilot must meet the following requirements on the date the pilot is offered a new-hire class at Delta to be considered eligible and thereafter remain eligible pursuant to the following: ... a) Qualifications i. Possess a four (4)-year degree from an accredited university; ii. Possess, or obtain before the date of hire at Delta, a current yellow fever vaccination; iii. Have served at least two (2) years in active status as a Captain for Endeavor; ... Grandfather Rights. Any Endeavor pilot who has been hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment will be deemed to have retained rights to be hired at Delta as specified in his EtD Commitment Letter and under the terms and provisions stated therein, regardless of whether the program has been terminated This is why, if you don't pass the Delta pilot interview, you can not be an employee at Endeavor going foward. |
Originally Posted by todd1200
(Post 1664607)
It says over and over that a pilot hired under the agreement has to meet the eligibility requirements in order to go to Delta. Those requirements include 2 years as a captain at Endeavor. I don't see anything about assigning fault in the event that a pilot doesn't meet the requirements for whatever reason.
-------------------- Pilots offered employment at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment after June 15, 2014, will, upon becoming and remaining eligible per the terms described in this document, be offered employment as Delta pilots. ... if such a candidate becomes and remains eligible per the terms described in this document, then Delta will honor its commitment and an Endeavor pilot will, upon becoming and remaining eligible, have the choice whether to accept the offer. ... The EtD Commitment will serve as the “ticket” to Delta for successful candidates who meet and maintain eligibility and demonstrate performance at Endeavor. ... Once offered employment at Endeavor, an applicant will receive the opportunity to be hired at Delta under the EtD Commitment based on the applicant’s subsequent employment and seniority at Endeavor and subject to the eligibility requirements set out in the EtD Commitment offer. ... 3. Eligibility Requirements. Notwithstanding an Endeavor pilot’s active status at Endeavor and receipt of the EtD Commitment when offered employment at Endeavor, each EtD Commitment pilot must meet the following requirements on the date the pilot is offered a new-hire class at Delta to be considered eligible and thereafter remain eligible pursuant to the following: ... a) Qualifications i. Possess a four (4)-year degree from an accredited university; ii. Possess, or obtain before the date of hire at Delta, a current yellow fever vaccination; iii. Have served at least two (2) years in active status as a Captain for Endeavor; ... Grandfather Rights. Any Endeavor pilot who has been hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment will be deemed to have retained rights to be hired at Delta as specified in his EtD Commitment Letter and under the terms and provisions stated therein, regardless of whether the program has been terminated |
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