This really needs to be addressed and clarified with our union.. Problem is, this damn bridge agreement reads like it was written by a junior high school debate team (thank you hold backs...). It's full of holes and ambiguity that any section of it can be manipulated. I honestly believe the "intent" of the cancellation of the hiring commitment language was that once the most jr eligible pilot is offered an interview, then Delta will no longer be forced to interview anymore SSP candidates(with the exception of re-tries) but will honor the CJOs and give class dates per the agreement until all CJOs have been given a class date, then SSP is DONE.

I agree 100%, the question is, what is the time frame on this? My guess is they stagger the CJO's out over the next 5 years. I don't know if they will do this, but if you are hold back CJO, prepare to stay longer, and hope that doesn't happen.

2015 to DL is full. CJO now is 2016. As it goes on, later (2016-2017).

correct. Before The March interviews there were already 141 CJOs waiting to go to Delta, throw in the CJOs from March and that number goes way up.. Anyone on the CJO list with a number after about 121 could expect to go in 2016.

Is it true that guys who got a CJO from daddy delta don't get a seniority slot while they are being held at pinnocalaba? If so has the union addressed this?

Saabs, true and yes, but the union so far has had little luck getting seniority numbers for those with CJOs.

It is true, the union has brought it to their attention but they don't have a leg to stand on in this fight and it will not be changing anytime soon. the good news is that a good majority of us would NEVER had interviews this early in the game as Delta is still interviewing tier 1, military, highly connected candidates. So while those hired will have to wait 8-11 months for class, most will still be ahead of where they would have been if Delta was their number one choice. In the old NWA days, it was almost impossible for anyone from Pinnacle or Mesaba to get an interview because they didn't want to disrupt their feed. Im not saying what is happening with this SSP hold back is right but at the end of the day its still a job at Delta Air Lines waiting for you and that's not bad at all.

Is that something that's in the SSP wording? Because other than the 90 days flow holdback language at CPZ, I don't think anyone has ever gotten a seniority number while they wait in a hiring pool or equivalent.

Things could possibly change if a lot of people with CJOs that are being forced to wait for 1-3 years take other jobs at United, American, etc. Either Delta takes them and they don't fly a CRJ for Endeavor or someone else takes them and they won't be flying a CRJ for Endeavor. The end result is the same. If Delta wants to keep warm bodies in the CRJ they might be forces to give out seniority numbers.

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There is nothing as far as I know that addresses this. I was merely in a couple words answering the question that 9E pilots are being held back without seniority numbers and that the union is trying to negotiate something...which as someone else mentioned will go no where more than likely. A good point was made that most of us would not have gotten this opportunity this soon or at all. Personally, I have no issue waiting my turn should I get a CJO.

I can see how people are confused, but the SSP/hiring commitment is a metering program for management. It came from management, not the union. According to Delta's hiring policies, without the SSP, they would have to interview all the 9E pilots that applied, and take them before anyone off the street. Delta selects employee's for interview in this order: Internal Delta - Delta subsidiaries - off the street.

Interesting, I did not know this. Well, like I said, I am patient. Until the SSP was extended to FOs I did not even think at all in my lifetime that Delta would even look at me.

There was no hold back language in the hiring commitment for FO's, so you would have had FO's moving to Delta before captains.

Was pretty sure there wasn't. There are just a vocal minority that seem to think it is unfair that they have to sit here at 9E with a CJO while off the street hires go right to class when said vocal minority may not have even had an opportunity to interview at Delta this soon anyways. It isn't stopping them from trying to get a seniority number by pushing to union to try and get it while they wait. I fear if they make too much a stink about it...well what's the first word of CJO?

What kind of delta travel benefits do you guys have? On your own metal and on mainline.

S3 us, S3B mainline, S3C other DCI. Fly confirmed for less tickets, no buddy passes. JS priority on our own metal (hope that's common for everyone).

If you aren't in the DL system to know non-rev priority it's basically DOH between DL and endeavor on our own, just after DL and in front of other dci on mainline. First inline after DL on mainline js. For the fly confirmed program you basically get 25-35% lower than DL website or Expedia on tickets for purchase (at least that was the number from a trip my wife and I did last week).

Thanks, appreciate it!

Whats the DOH of the most junior ex-pinnacle new captain?

Wait a week. Likely mid 2006 and rapidly climbing to more recent with each vacancy.

S3B1 on mainline. Not S3B.

You're making it seem like DL would be handcuffed by some technicality and forced to institude a 100% flow of only PCL (EDV now?) pilots before they could hire a single OTS pilot. There's no way that's even close to being the case, and even if it was, it would only be because of the company's own policies, which it could (and would) change in about 2 seconds.

DL didn't need the SSP to grant relief from itself. That's just silly.

They are not going to change their hiring policy, which is standard among all fortune 500 companies, over a subsidiary. If you go with the SSP it solves a lot of headaches, and butthurt.