Endeavor Has Started Upgrades
03-21-2015, 09:29 AM
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Endeavor Has Started Upgrades
35 CA vacancies, with now downgrades. This is the first pure vacancy notice in a long while. Endeavor has turned the corner new hires are showing up and now you will upgrade time drop like a rock. If you get hired today within 2 years you should have the opportunity.
Reasons for saying this
People leaving for Delta and other majors will continue to create movement.
First officers with CJO's at Delta will soon start moving there as early as next year and some will skip the upgrade now that the money part is there and they will enjoy the quality of life as a senior first officer before moving on to Delta.
The major airlines will start to look more closely at regional first officers again increasing attrition.
The company will be bring CRJ 200 back out of the desert in the fall to begin growing with the idea of being about 150 airplanes strong.
For those looking at which regional to go too consider Endeavor. Best money in the industry as well as the much needed upgrade to captain is coming.
Reasons for saying this
People leaving for Delta and other majors will continue to create movement.
First officers with CJO's at Delta will soon start moving there as early as next year and some will skip the upgrade now that the money part is there and they will enjoy the quality of life as a senior first officer before moving on to Delta.
The major airlines will start to look more closely at regional first officers again increasing attrition.
The company will be bring CRJ 200 back out of the desert in the fall to begin growing with the idea of being about 150 airplanes strong.
For those looking at which regional to go too consider Endeavor. Best money in the industry as well as the much needed upgrade to captain is coming.
03-21-2015, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
35 CA vacancies, with now downgrades. This is the first pure vacancy notice in a long while. Endeavor has turned the corner new hires are showing up and now you will upgrade time drop like a rock. If you get hired today within 2 years you should have the opportunity.
Reasons for saying this
People leaving for Delta and other majors will continue to create movement.
First officers with CJO's at Delta will soon start moving there as early as next year and some will skip the upgrade now that the money part is there and they will enjoy the quality of life as a senior first officer before moving on to Delta.
The major airlines will start to look more closely at regional first officers again increasing attrition.
The company will be bring CRJ 200 back out of the desert in the fall to begin growing with the idea of being about 150 airplanes strong.
For those looking at which regional to go too consider Endeavor. Best money in the industry as well as the much needed upgrade to captain is coming.
Reasons for saying this
People leaving for Delta and other majors will continue to create movement.
First officers with CJO's at Delta will soon start moving there as early as next year and some will skip the upgrade now that the money part is there and they will enjoy the quality of life as a senior first officer before moving on to Delta.
The major airlines will start to look more closely at regional first officers again increasing attrition.
The company will be bring CRJ 200 back out of the desert in the fall to begin growing with the idea of being about 150 airplanes strong.
For those looking at which regional to go too consider Endeavor. Best money in the industry as well as the much needed upgrade to captain is coming.
03-21-2015, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
I agree with everything your saying here, it does seem like this place has turned around for the better and things are looking up. I'm just curious why you're such a cheerleader for Endeavor? It's not a bad thing, but you have always seemed to drink the koolaid in large doses.
Good to hear about the upgrades though...that is positive. I just think you guys are too quick to pain such a rosy picture.
03-21-2015, 10:15 AM
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I hope you meant 150 airplanes total and not 150 200s. We never had that many to begin with and the current delta contract was supposed to bring them down system wide to 125. Other than that I like your optimism
03-21-2015, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
I agree with everything your saying here, it does seem like this place has turned around for the better and things are looking up. I'm just curious why you're such a cheerleader for Endeavor? It's not a bad thing, but you have always seemed to drink the koolaid in large doses.
Originally Posted by vilcas
Something for new hires to consider. If you come to Endeavor now and upgrade in 18 months that's and 18 month upgrade if a current 6 yr FO does the same it was 7 years and 6 months. This creates understandable frustration from current pilots. This should however not dissuade you from coming to Endeavor senior pilots are leaving and this is causing movement. The pace at which we are parking aircraft is slow enough that attrition is beating it. Coming to Endeavor is not a bad choice especially if the bases are near your home.
03-21-2015, 11:18 AM
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If you get hired at a company as a street captain and a guy in your upgrade class has been there 4 years. Is upgrade 4 years or 0. My point was that upgrade time as a new hire needs to be measure by how long it will take for them to upgrade historical upgrade times are not a useful metric.
03-21-2015, 12:20 PM
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News flash:
Every regional is going to see the upgrade drop like a rock soon.
At the current rate, as of the next few months, Horizon's upgrade time will have gone from 13 years down to just over 3. No real growth, the fleet has increased by 1 or maybe 2 in that span.
When all of the majors are hiring, it doesn't take long to see the upgrade plummet, regardless of which regional you're at or what is going on.
People would be smart t go to the company that's based where they want to be, and has a decent contract.
Every regional is going to see the upgrade drop like a rock soon.
At the current rate, as of the next few months, Horizon's upgrade time will have gone from 13 years down to just over 3. No real growth, the fleet has increased by 1 or maybe 2 in that span.
When all of the majors are hiring, it doesn't take long to see the upgrade plummet, regardless of which regional you're at or what is going on.
People would be smart t go to the company that's based where they want to be, and has a decent contract.
03-21-2015, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
If you get hired at a company as a street captain and a guy in your upgrade class has been there 4 years. Is upgrade 4 years or 0. My point was that upgrade time as a new hire needs to be measure by how long it will take for them to upgrade historical upgrade times are not a useful metric.
03-21-2015, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
I agree with everything your saying here, it does seem like this place has turned around for the better and things are looking up. I'm just curious why you're such a cheerleader for Endeavor? It's not a bad thing, but you have always seemed to drink the koolaid in large doses.
The more they hate, the more he loves!
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