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Old 03-21-2015 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TeddyKGB
Glad to see things turning around at 9E. With upgrades starting and by far the best regional FO pay in the industry it seems like a good place to go these days.
Of those 35upgrades, how many are 7+yr FOs that were downgraded??? A new hire won't see the left seat for a long time.
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Old 03-21-2015 | 04:53 PM
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How is it easier. It's a contract now free of loopholes. And my point wasn't about the ease of the task, just that that base wages are not safe either. Look at Eagle/Envoy/PSA for example. Companies seem to always find a formula that works to get what they want. As far as my Skywest comment: I stand by that. Delta isn't stupid, and they're doing this for a reason. If you want to believe it's because the want to take it back later, it really shows a lack of maturity and knowledge of the aviation industry on your part. Btw, thanks for the laugh
The bottom line is the whole regional industry is changing very rapidly and every regional is going to be showing quick upgrades because there is very few pilots coming up the pipeline. 2001-2011 is being called the lost decade for airline pilots, so many bad things happened in that decade it cannot all be recuperated in the next ten years. The guys that really are going to have glorious careers are the kids that are just starting flight school now. Whether Endeavor or any other regional is around in a year or two is very hard to predict, but IMHO I don't think it's going to matter. Go to the regional that will gives you the best quality of life...
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Old 03-21-2015 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
The thing with bonuses is they can be stopped at anytime. I think people at endeavor (and else where) should ask why a bonus and not a increase to base? Simple answer is a bonus can be stopped a base increase can't.
You might want to educate yourself on the 20k per year for four years before you come across as totally ignorant.
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Old 03-21-2015 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
It's easier to disregard a promise of a bonus than it is to put an airline into bankruptcy. It's also easier to disregard an LOA that says they'll give you a bonus than put the airline into bankruptcy. Cheaper too. So if management was serious they would have offered base wage increases.

It's hardly Skywests fault Delta didn't offer you base wage increases. Your argument is almost comical. It's not always someone else's fault.
And here we go again. How do you not understand how an LOA works? The LOA can no easier be circumvented than Hulas can disregard the pay rates in your contract and cut your wages in half tomorrow. How are you not understanding this? And why can you not let this place go?
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Old 03-21-2015 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
The thing with bonuses is they can be stopped at anytime. I think people at endeavor (and else where) should ask why a bonus and not a increase to base? Simple answer is a bonus can be stopped a base increase can't.
The bonuses are paid out of Delta's cash pile, thus they do not increase the bottom line, and have an effect on the stock price.
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Old 03-22-2015 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
The thing with bonuses is they can be stopped at anytime. I think people at endeavor (and else where) should ask why a bonus and not a increase to base? Simple answer is a bonus can be stopped a base increase can't.
The answer is, as airline management (Delta because 9E only has management to check the corporate blocks) knows, 9E only needs an intermediate fix to staff airplanes NOW. This is why they are throwing cash at us. A base rate has too many long-term implications that 9E simply isn't worth investing in. A base increase permanently changes the expense report at Delta. In time, they will readjust to the needs of the time. You and Alaskabound should get a room.
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Old 03-24-2015 | 05:28 PM
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Old 03-24-2015 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
You might want to educate yourself on the 20k per year for four years before you come across as totally ignorant.
Worded that wrong, I meant that it can be stopped for new hires at anytime, it's not something that has to continue till next contract negotiation like a increase to base would.
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Old 03-25-2015 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
Worded that wrong, I meant that it can be stopped for new hires at anytime, it's not something that has to continue till next contract negotiation like a increase to base would.
Not sure they would do that. It seems like their biggest marketing piece. It's likely what is driving their 25+ new hires per class. You don't need fleet growth when you have guaranteed interviews at the rate they do. I saw a piece on one of the 9E social media pages talking about 730 or so pilots moving to Delta by 2018? That seems pretty aggressive. Did anyone else see that? Post it if you did, or I'll try to find it.
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Old 03-25-2015 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
All those reasons pretty much exist as well for PSA, TSA, Compass, and Piedmont. Why Endeavor?
For one, you'll be working for the US's premeir airline corporation.
And, you won't be working for the management scrubs from USair.
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