Endeavor Has Started Upgrades
03-25-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Just out of curiosity, whats the aprox seniority/employee number of FOs that are going through upgrade on that vacancy for the first time (not former downgraded CAs)?
Are they down to the 1600s employee numbers yet?
Are they down to the 1600s employee numbers yet?
03-25-2015 | 09:21 AM
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Not sure they would do that. It seems like their biggest marketing piece. It's likely what is driving their 25+ new hires per class. You don't need fleet growth when you have guaranteed interviews at the rate they do. I saw a piece on one of the 9E social media pages talking about 730 or so pilots moving to Delta by 2018? That seems pretty aggressive. Did anyone else see that? Post it if you did, or I'll try to find it.
Per the SSP hiring commitment Delta is taking
2015 = 144
2016 = 180
2017 = 180
2018 = 240
Total = 744
Now I personally think the SSP will end way before the end of 2018.
03-25-2015 | 10:02 AM
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I don't have the Bridge Agreement in front of me, and I'm a pilot, so I'm too lazy to look it up but is the hiring commitment tied in with the SSP or is it separate?
In other words, even when the SSP ends does DL have to take X pilot per year from 9E?
In other words, even when the SSP ends does DL have to take X pilot per year from 9E?
03-25-2015 | 10:09 AM
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The uptake on the hiring commitment is renegotiated when the last SSP eligible pilot interviews. What it's going to be, and the status of the people with CJO's, is unknown. I think the CJO's will be spaced out over the next 5 years, as they want to put 70+ more aircraft here, and need pilots here. Mainline is having no trouble finding pilots. I know pilots won't like to hear that, but management worries about the health of the entire company, otherwise no one would have a job.
03-25-2015 | 11:57 AM
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No, at that point only people getting a second chance will be eligible and when they are gone, no more SSP.
03-25-2015 | 01:54 PM
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The uptake on the hiring commitment is renegotiated when the last SSP eligible pilot interviews. What it's going to be, and the status of the people with CJO's, is unknown. I think the CJO's will be spaced out over the next 5 years, as they want to put 70+ more aircraft here, and need pilots here. Mainline is having no trouble finding pilots. I know pilots won't like to hear that, but management worries about the health of the entire company, otherwise no one would have a job.
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03-25-2015 | 02:03 PM
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That's what I've been trying to tell people, if the intent was to honor the hiring commitment, it would have been written quite differently in the Bridge Agreement. It would say "the hiring commitment is exhausted after the most junior pilot receives their class date at Delta", it would not say like it does now, the hiring commitment ends with the the last SSP interview.
03-25-2015 | 02:29 PM
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That's what I've been trying to tell people, if the intent was to honor the hiring commitment, it would have been written quite differently in the Bridge Agreement. It would say "the hiring commitment is exhausted after the most junior pilot receives their class date at Delta", it would not say like it does now, the hiring commitment ends with the the last SSP interview.
03-25-2015 | 03:05 PM
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Interviews don't end when the last guy goes through, only the hiring commitment ends. They can extend the SSP to anyone, including the new hires. When the last guy interviews, Delta can change the hiring commitment to whatever it wants. I've already been through this with the ALPA attorneys, why do you think Jane flipped out over the FO SSP?
03-25-2015 | 05:23 PM
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Interviews don't end when the last guy goes through, only the hiring commitment ends. They can extend the SSP to anyone, including the new hires. When the last guy interviews, Delta can change the hiring commitment to whatever it wants. I've already been through this with the ALPA attorneys, why do you think Jane flipped out over the FO SSP?
Exhaustion of Hiring Commitment. Delta's hiring commitment under Section 3.e. will be exhausted and become null and void upon the date the most junior Pinnacle pilot on the seniority list as of the date of ratification of a new restructured Pinnacle pilot collective bargaining agreement is offered an opportunity to participate in the SSP in seniority order, provided, however, that any Pinnacle pilot who retains a repeat opportunity under Section 3.d. upon the date the hiring commitment is exhausted, or would obtain an opportunity to repeat the process within twelve (12) months of such date, will be afforded the opportunity to repeat the process upon his request. Such repeat opportunities will be scheduled at a minimum rate of 20 per month for the number of months in which Delta anticipates offering new hire pilot positions.
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