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prior121 04-05-2015 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by tvlawyer (Post 1856245)
I don't think it's fair to say Endeavor is "turning around" because it is a new company didn't exist even until the third quarter of 2013. Colgan, Mesaba, and Pinnacle are gone. Delta bought assets at a discount and started a new airline. Endeavor is not "turning around" anymore than Silver is "turning around" from Gulfstream. Metaphorically speaking, Delta didn't just take a beat up Toyota and start calling it a Lexus.

My knowledge of the company goes far deeper than a PowerPoint presentation. Before I went to the interview I researched industry data, publications and spoke with a top-level Delta finance guy here in Atlanta. I believe Endeavor is poised for success and will effect significant changes on the regional industry that other carriers will have to follow to survive. I would not have accepted Endeavor's offer without being confident of that.

Poised for success. Please tell me how a company who publicly tried to give all their 200's to Air Wisconsin and is now in talks to do the same with Mesa is "poised for success."

Please enlighten me.

ShyGuy 04-05-2015 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 1856315)
Lateral moves never made sense to me, unless you are getting furlough. I didn't jump ship like every one else to other regionals, because of the fast upgrade. Now I get to move up while taking my bonus with me. Sometimes it pays off to stay put.

That's subjective. Pays off? I know several 9E guys who took the jump in '12-'14, upgraded very quickly, and have made more than they would have staying as FO with the bonus. Two of these guys got hired at a major and it was probably the TPIC that got them finally noticed. There are reasons to make a lateral move. Quick/DEC upgrade is only one small reason. Biggest reason is being at a dead end regional with no growth and shrinking fleet. Ask some Comair guys how your advice would have worked for those who were able to stay to the last day. In any case, congrats on your escape. It's nice to see positive movement. Good luck, you'll enjoy the new plane.

gojo 04-05-2015 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1856318)
Poised for success. Please tell me how a company who publicly tried to give all their 200's to Air Wisconsin and is now in talks to do the same with Mesa is "poised for success."

Please enlighten me.

I appears you do need a lot of enlightening. 26 200's hardly counts as all of them. And why do you think Delta is in talks with Meas for Delta/Endeavor 200's? Endeavor is finally in a position to staff the one's we are flying with slowing attrition and new hire pilots.

Silver02ex 04-05-2015 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1856326)
That's subjective. Pays off? I know several 9E guys who took the jump in '12-'14, upgraded very quickly, and have made more than they would have staying as FO with the bonus. Two of these guys got hired at a major and it was probably the TPIC that got them finally noticed. There are reasons to make a lateral move. Quick/DEC upgrade is only one small reason. Biggest reason is being at a dead end regional with no growth and shrinking fleet. Ask some Comair guys how your advice would have worked for those who were able to stay to the last day. In any case, congrats on your escape. It's nice to see positive movement. Good luck, you'll enjoy the new plane.

You seem like the "cup half empty" kind of guy aren't you? or I can say the sky is blue, and you would say, "No, it's baby blue" All I said was why "I" stayed, and how it paid off for "me" yet, you still have to mention how making a lateral move was a good move for other pilots. I don't really care why some people left. Once again, "to me" I made out better financially and QOL by staying and taking the bonus and running. Please show me, where I said making a lateral move was a bad idea, I just said, doing it didn't make sense to "me" or did I say "lateral move didn't make sense in general? You seriously took my post in a completely different direction. All I said was sometimes it pays off to stay (like my case). The Comair and my situation are completely different. One airline was getting shut down while mine is not, I don't recall Endeavor getting shut down anytime soon.

AlaskaBound 04-05-2015 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1856318)
Poised for success. Please tell me how a company who publicly tried to give all their 200's to Air Wisconsin and is now in talks to do the same with Mesa is "poised for success."

Please enlighten me.

Being an all 900 operator is a good thing in the eyes of airline management. 9E will be sold off to the highest bidder when Delta is done with them. They won't have to pay out the whole $80k bonus because it was never in the cards to do that. It is a ploy and it's bringing in suckers.
Mark my word, 9E will be sold off when it benefits Delta and you won't get your whole bonus or anything associated with the SSP.

El Aviador 04-05-2015 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1856427)
Being an all 900 operator is a good thing in the eyes of airline management. 9E will be sold off to the highest bidder when Delta is done with them. They won't have to pay out the whole $80k bonus because it was never in the cards to do that. It is a ploy and it's bringing in suckers.
Mark my word, 9E will be sold off when it benefits Delta and you won't get your whole bonus or anything associated with the SSP.



Are you assuming this or do you have enough upper management contacts to know where things will go. It is a sincere question? I don't want to work for the wrong company. I know it sounds dumb, but I'm new to the regional world. Just doing my research.

El Aviador.

IBPilot 04-05-2015 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1856318)
Poised for success. Please tell me how a company who publicly tried to give all their 200's to Air Wisconsin and is now in talks to do the same with Mesa is "poised for success."

Please enlighten me.

sources for each please?

IBPilot 04-05-2015 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by El Aviador (Post 1856506)
Are you assuming this or do you have enough upper management contacts to know where things will go. It is a sincere question? I don't want to work for the wrong company. I know it sounds dumb, but I'm new to the regional world. Just doing my research.

El Aviador.

he is neither. It's more of a "buyer's remorse" for him…..just hates it that he left, his former coworkers are doing just fine without him, and he can't let go.

Squallrider 04-05-2015 06:00 PM

Not trying to be a troll here but...( famous last words) why would they offer 20 k a year bonus if they felt endeavor was a good choice for anyone?

IBPilot 04-05-2015 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 1856539)
Not trying to be a troll here but...( famous last words) why would they offer 20 k a year bonus if they felt endeavor was a good choice for anyone?

they were trying to plug the leaks in the dam with bubblegum and fingers….now they realized they screwed up and have brought in the heavy machinery and concrete before it's too late. Why would Delta purchase a -200 sim from China for them if they are losing all the 200's?


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