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VIRotate 03-24-2018 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28 (Post 2557995)
Any folks here doing the MSP/ATL commute? If so, would you kindly share your results thus far....thanks!

I did it for 9 months. It's pretty tough. Standby lists can be 20-30+ long, flights fill up at the last minute, snowball effect of nonrevs. Occasionally you get one odd ball flight with like 120 seats open and the rest are negative, that becomes a nonrev express with like 60+ guys on the list. Good thing about MSP is you have small midwest cities that it is pretty easy to two-leg through. SDF, MEM, BNA, MCI, STL, OMA, MSN, CMH, etc. RST is probably one of the best kept secrets.

TalkTurkey 03-24-2018 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28 (Post 2557995)
Any folks here doing the MSP/ATL commute? If so, would you kindly share your results thus far....thanks!

All commutes between hubs are easy. Don’t make the first? Positive space on the next. Commuting made easy.

Edgecrusher28 03-24-2018 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2558080)
All commutes between hubs are easy. Don’t make the first? Positive space on the next. Commuting made easy.

Yeah I’m not concerned about getting there.

Casualinterest 03-24-2018 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2558080)
All commutes between hubs are easy. Don’t make the first? Positive space on the next. Commuting made easy.

Getting home would be the nightmare

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Yumyum 03-24-2018 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2557987)
That’s a sound decision. But I feel everything should be covered before pushback. I also feel it should be handflown. So I’ll write what I asked others to do:

1. Make a 2-mile and 3 mile ring even with FMS 4.2.
2. PM use DME in case an LCP is watching
3. Brief the PM to turn the HDG knob to 180 and then 040 when appropriate without calling for it
4. Brief that there will be no commands or config changes until in the turn to 040. (This will cover the demands of 10-7 pages)
5. Hand fly the thing as per the 10-7 pages and turn between the ring.
6. Never have to write an ASAP.

I was mind blown when trying this after someone better than me taught me it.


I’d be willing to bet the metal interference is the culprit. New LGA pilots blasting off with their heading 30 degrees off. Bet the IRS XJ planes help reduce deviation/headaches.

Arnold Poon 03-25-2018 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2557987)
That’s a sound decision. But I feel everything should be covered before pushback. I also feel it should be handflown. So I’ll write what I asked others to do:

1. Make a 2-mile and 3 mile ring even with FMS 4.2.
2. PM use DME in case an LCP is watching
3. Brief the PM to turn the HDG knob to 180 and then 040 when appropriate without calling for it
4. Brief that there will be no commands or config changes until in the turn to 040. (This will cover the demands of 10-7 pages)
5. Hand fly the thing as per the 10-7 pages and turn between the ring.
6. Never have to write an ASAP.

I was mind blown when trying this after someone better than me taught me it.

This is wrong on so many ways

Shadre Reevis 03-25-2018 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2557987)
That’s a sound decision. But I feel everything should be covered before pushback. I also feel it should be handflown. So I’ll write what I asked others to do:

1. Make a 2-mile and 3 mile ring even with FMS 4.2.
2. PM use DME in case an LCP is watching
3. Brief the PM to turn the HDG knob to 180 and then 040 when appropriate without calling for it
4. Brief that there will be no commands or config changes until in the turn to 040. (This will cover the demands of 10-7 pages)
5. Hand fly the thing as per the 10-7 pages and turn between the ring.
6. Never have to write an ASAP.

I was mind blown when trying this after someone better than me taught me it.

That sounds unnecessarily complicated, not to mention non-standard. The LCP won't like seeing your PM turning knobs without your call-out. You don't want the PM automatically turning the HDG knob if you lose an engine below 430'. Nothing in the 10-7 tells you to hand-fly the departure. Turning on the autopilot helps mitigate half the issues you are trying to manage with this non-standard briefing.

prex8390 03-25-2018 07:37 AM

I’ve sat ready reserve 7 times this month. It’s all I’ve done for the last 2 weeks. This is starting to get out of hand. I would like to see the max limit in the next LOA go from 10 to like 2. Even mainline flight attendants are maxed out at 2, or at least at AA

They’d rather break apart trips and give them to people bidding last call then just assign it to a reserve that wants to fly and give them ready instead.

flydiamond 03-25-2018 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2558360)
I’ve sat ready reserve 7 times this month. It’s all I’ve done for the last 2 weeks. This is starting to get out of hand. I would like to see the max limit in the next LOA go from 10 to like 2. Even mainline flight attendants are maxed out at 2, or at least at AA

They’d rather break apart trips and give them to people bidding last call then just assign it to a reserve that wants to fly and give them ready instead.

We should have something like this. 900 guys are probably only sitting 3-4 days tops since there are so many to choose 3 from, but with 200 only having a handful of lines in NYC those reserves are usually sitting at the contractual limit.

prex8390 03-25-2018 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2558377)
We should have something like this. 900 guys are probably only sitting 3-4 days tops since there are so many to choose 3 from, but with 200 only having a handful of lines in NYC those reserves are usually sitting at the contractual limit.

I am a 900 guy.... ATL


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