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Blueskies21 07-15-2019 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2850783)
More pressure to fly and fly broken equipment is NOT a good thing.

If you're feeling pressure to fly with anything broken you're putting that pressure on yourself. I have never once written something up and had any sort of negative consequence. That's not a thing.

If you have truly had management/MOC whoever tell you to fly with something broken contact the union immediately.

aviatore 07-15-2019 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 2853368)
If you're feeling pressure to fly with anything broken you're putting that pressure on yourself. I have never once written something up and had any sort of negative consequence. That's not a thing.

If you have truly had management/MOC whoever tell you to fly with something broken contact the union immediately.

I have seen on a few occasions the chief pilot calling someone over a decision to notify maintenance of a discrepancy while at a hub instead of pilot-deferring it in the name of preserving D-0...

msprj2 07-15-2019 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by aviatore (Post 2853435)
I have seen on a few occasions the chief pilot calling someone over a decision to notify maintenance of a discrepancy while at a hub instead of pilot-deferring it in the name of preserving D-0...

How is that that different than what Mx will do? Probably just laziness

TalkTurkey 07-15-2019 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by aviatore (Post 2853435)
I have seen on a few occasions the chief pilot calling someone over a decision to notify maintenance of a discrepancy while at a hub instead of pilot-deferring it in the name of preserving D-0...

Uhhhhh I’m pretty sure you still need to notify them of pilot deferrals.

aviatore 07-15-2019 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2853447)
Uhhhhh I’m pretty sure you still need to notify them of pilot deferrals.

I should reword myself and say that it’s notifying maintenance at the hub to have them come out as opposed to just contacting MOC and getting guided through the process of deferring something. The reason being that a delay ensues when maintenance must come out... I don’t honestly know which would take more time- deferring yourself or having MX do it for you. Kind of like deciding whether to take the JITNEY or walking down terminal 4 at JFK.

Blueskies21 07-15-2019 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by aviatore (Post 2853435)
I have seen on a few occasions the chief pilot calling someone over a decision to notify maintenance of a discrepancy while at a hub instead of pilot-deferring it in the name of preserving D-0...

That's not telling someone to fly a broken airplane or pilot pushing. A pilot deferral should be a 5 minute exercise. If you choose not to complete that 5 minute exercise and leave it to MX then maybe you'd get a call but I never have. And IF you (or this person) got a call, did discipline result? Because if not, so what.

If that's the level of pilot pushing we're discussing then you have no idea how bad some other airlines have it.

aviatore 07-15-2019 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 2853459)
That's not telling someone to fly a broken airplane or pilot pushing. A pilot deferral should be a 5 minute exercise. If you choose not to complete that 5 minute exercise and leave it to MX then maybe you'd get a call but I never have. And IF you (or this person) got a call, did discipline result? Because if not, so what.

If that's the level of pilot pushing we're discussing then you have no idea how bad some other airlines have it.

I don’t know, I honestly don’t think multiple advisory phone calls from a chief pilot lead to discipline but I’m not in management so I can’t say for sure. Not here to have an argument, just contribute to a conversation. I like it here regardless and I just thought it was odd for one to be called about that. No one is flying broken airplanes here obviously.

vessbot 07-15-2019 09:23 AM

The procedure is to call dispatch/MOC, so I don't find it surprising that someone would be called with a reminder to that effect if they failed to do so. Especially if it resulted in an unnecessary delay.

JulesWinfield 07-15-2019 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by vessbot (Post 2853514)
The procedure is to call dispatch/MOC, so I don't find it surprising that someone would be called with a reminder to that effect if they failed to do so. Especially if it resulted in an unnecessary delay.

The bigger issue is flying a broken airplane from an outstation to the hub, because you don't want to wait around for contract mx. That definitely deserves a phone call.

Blueskies21 07-15-2019 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 2853534)
The bigger issue is flying a broken airplane from an outstation to the hub, because you don't want to wait around for contract mx. That definitely deserves a phone call.

No one should be doing that. If maintenance advises you to do that, don't. If anyone tries to push you to do that, don't and call the union.

That's not a phone call, that's an FAA violation (and one that you can't ASAP btw).

I've never once, in all my time here, been asked or told to fly an airplane with an unresolved maintenance issue.

If it's broken, it gets fixed, ferried or deferred, those are the only options.


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