Bye Bye Boeing in Seattle!
11-18-2013, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mike734
The IAM knows Boeing is going to do what ever they want regardless of the outcome of the vote. They were right to hold the line on pay and benefits. Now the gov of Washington is saying the state is going to have to compete to keep Boeing in Washington. The ball is now in Washington's court.
Competitive bidding for selecting manufacturing sites would really be interesting!
11-18-2013, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
So Washington state is going to subsidize the union to retain noncompetitive union labor wages and demands?
Competitive bidding for selecting manufacturing sites would really be interesting!
Competitive bidding for selecting manufacturing sites would really be interesting!
11-18-2013, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
Who said they were leaving Seattle in it's entirety?
Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
Management chose to minimize the cost of doing business and unions chose to maximize their wages and benefits. It might seem both could have compromised, but Boeing has other choices too - there are workers elsewhere who could choose to work for less than those in WA state.
Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
Nowhere in Puget Sound can these workers earn a fraction of the money that they can earn at Boeing.
Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
They resisted (I see nothing about their contract being 're-opened, this was for future work). Boeing offered a $10,000 signing bonus, having future retirement monies subject to a defined contribution plan, having to pay higher co-pay amounts for healthcare costs. Apparently the prospect of future work was just too much of a sacrifice for these workers who earn about $60-70,000 per year before overtime and with much vacation time.
Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
They remind me of the unionized autoworkers who felt that they were indispensable until the factories closed and production moved to the South and to Mexico.
Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
I can understand the frustration of the workers because they bailed out 787 production after management took a McDonnell-Douglas approach to subcontract out nearly all work except for final assembly and that cost the company billions. The workers also kept the cash flowing with record 737 production. when the company needed that cash due to the drain of revenue shortfalls from delayed deliveries, of paying to correct the manufacture of the 787, and of paying penalties to airlines suffering from delayed deliveries.
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Unfortunately for the Puget Sound machinists, many just voted themselves out of future employment later this decade and beyond. They would have been clever to take this deal as their leverage would have increased once Boeing constructed the 777X in Everett.
Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
In any event, the chest-thumping shop stewards who exhorted the "no" vote won't lose their jobs; they never do.
Originally Posted by mike734
Yes. They had already offered dramatic tax benefits. Now they will have to do a little better. Boeing was stupid the way they outsourced the 787. Now it's time to see if they will be stupid again. My guess is they will.
11-19-2013, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
So Washington state is going to subsidize the union to retain noncompetitive union labor wages and demands?
Competitive bidding for selecting manufacturing sites would really be interesting!
Competitive bidding for selecting manufacturing sites would really be interesting!
11-19-2013, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 742Dash
Considering the tax cuts that Washington State has given Boeing, the only people left to pay the taxes to support the infrastructure that Boeing uses are the workers.
11-19-2013, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 742Dash
Considering the tax cuts that Washington State has given Boeing, the only people left to pay the taxes to support the infrastructure that Boeing uses are the workers.
I think you have it backwards. The tax breaks subsidize union pay. If Boeing takes its business elsewhere, the state stands to lose income tax revenue (from workers, not the corporation) including in-state ancillary companies that depend on Boeing for its revenues.
11-21-2013, 07:42 AM
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Seattle City Councilmember-elect shares radical idea with... | www.kirotv.com
"“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters in Seattle’s Westlake Park Monday night. "
“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,” she told KIRO 7.
Just more destruction of the manufacturing sector by unions. Time for Boeing to leave Seattle.
"“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters in Seattle’s Westlake Park Monday night. "
“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,” she told KIRO 7.
Just more destruction of the manufacturing sector by unions. Time for Boeing to leave Seattle.
11-21-2013, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
Be careful, you may get what you vote for..
Boeing may look to the MidEast after unions reject Seattle 777X plan - Transport - ArabianBusiness.com
Boeing may look to the MidEast after unions reject Seattle 777X plan - Transport - ArabianBusiness.com
Emirates Airlines has urged Boeing to build the 777X and its components in the US to avoid the issues that bedeviled the 787, according to The Wall Street Journal.
“Tim Clark, president of Emirates, said Boeing should assemble the 777X family in its own facilities to better manage the process and deliver the aircraft on time in 2020,” The WSJ wrote.
“‘All we said to [Boeing] was, ‘Please don’t do to 777X what you did to the [787],’” Mr. Clark said in an interview on the sidelines of the Dubai Air Show, adding that outsourcing the manufacture-and-build process to companies in Asia or Europe might mean Boeing loses quality and control of assembly. “Don’t do that to us,” he said,” The WSJ wrote.
“Qatar Airways Chief Executive Akbar Al Akbar similarly expressed a desire that Boeing assemble the 777X at a single U.S. facility. “Frankly, we would rather everything was built in one place, and I think Boeing from the 787 experience have learnt a lesson,” he said in an interview Tuesday,” reported The Journal.
There is broad consensus that Boeing’s Everett plant is the best place to build the 777X, given its experienced workforce, a mature factory and the continuing challenges of the Charleston 787 plant. But Boeing CEO Jim McNerney’s antipathy toward the IAM specifically and the Washington State business climate generally are “wild cards,” a source familiar with the dynamics tells us.
“Tim Clark, president of Emirates, said Boeing should assemble the 777X family in its own facilities to better manage the process and deliver the aircraft on time in 2020,” The WSJ wrote.
“‘All we said to [Boeing] was, ‘Please don’t do to 777X what you did to the [787],’” Mr. Clark said in an interview on the sidelines of the Dubai Air Show, adding that outsourcing the manufacture-and-build process to companies in Asia or Europe might mean Boeing loses quality and control of assembly. “Don’t do that to us,” he said,” The WSJ wrote.
“Qatar Airways Chief Executive Akbar Al Akbar similarly expressed a desire that Boeing assemble the 777X at a single U.S. facility. “Frankly, we would rather everything was built in one place, and I think Boeing from the 787 experience have learnt a lesson,” he said in an interview Tuesday,” reported The Journal.
There is broad consensus that Boeing’s Everett plant is the best place to build the 777X, given its experienced workforce, a mature factory and the continuing challenges of the Charleston 787 plant. But Boeing CEO Jim McNerney’s antipathy toward the IAM specifically and the Washington State business climate generally are “wild cards,” a source familiar with the dynamics tells us.
11-21-2013, 04:26 PM
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So I'm wathcing the evening new tonight, and after they show the Dream Lifter lifing off from the 6100' runway, the go to a story about how the Seattle Times placed an add, asking Boeing to please build the 777X in Seattle.
Front and center on the add, with the words wrapped around it, is a big picture of an airplane...an Airbus 320!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1525007
"The ad, which prominently displays the logo of the Washington Aerospace Partnership, a coalition of business, labor and government groups championing the industry, urges state lawmakers to pass a large-scale roads and transit tax package that Boeing executives have said would make the state a more desirable venue for future projects.
Airbus officials confirmed the plane depicted in the ad is an A320 but declined further comment."
Front and center on the add, with the words wrapped around it, is a big picture of an airplane...an Airbus 320!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1525007
"The ad, which prominently displays the logo of the Washington Aerospace Partnership, a coalition of business, labor and government groups championing the industry, urges state lawmakers to pass a large-scale roads and transit tax package that Boeing executives have said would make the state a more desirable venue for future projects.
Airbus officials confirmed the plane depicted in the ad is an A320 but declined further comment."
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