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criticalaoa 03-07-2017 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2315443)
While the questions they ask tend to come from the study guide, I would think that all of AOM 1 & AOM 2, as well as FM1 are fair game. It doesn't say in the study guide that we aren't allowed to carry a backpack, but he asked it, and I knew that it was in FM1. I was also asked questions about the radar that weren't in the guide, and that's why it's a guide and not an overriding document.

And radar is in the study guide at least ours. I don't know about the 145.

E175 Driver 03-07-2017 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by crj700 (Post 2315434)
Incorrect. The question bank is a start point. If a weak area is noted, the examiner asks additional questions, not necessarily from the bank until he is satisfied with the students knowledge.

People typically don't have much trouble with the oral, it's the sim from where the majority of unsats come.

Perhaps poor quality of instructors is to blame. FO's are being hired as instructors now with not enough experience.

SkylineAviation 03-07-2017 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315578)
Perhaps poor quality of instructors is to blame. FO's are being hired as instructors now with not enough experience.

It's so obvious you have no idea what you're talking about and simply trolling every time you post.

E175 Driver 03-07-2017 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 2315590)
It's so obvious you have no idea what you're talking about and simply trolling every time you post.

They are hiring FO's as instructors. How is that trolling?

Pcruz28 03-07-2017 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 2315441)
I was down there not too long ago. And the questions they can ask still have to come from the study guide. That's what I was told. So 2 questions per system and let's say I miss one then they can ask up to seven question from that section.

This is what I was told also... I was part of the trial AQP Initial for the 145. They said they can only ask questions from that study guide... the only thing that's not on the study guide are the FM1 questions and the limitations, but those are easy to find the information and study.

SkylineAviation 03-07-2017 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315603)
They are hiring FO's as instructors. How is that trolling?

The trolling part is where you come to the conclusion that the sim instructors are the reason for the unsats, and their lack of competence. I've yet to have a sim instructor who I felt was incompetent and was leading me to an unsat. And as far as the new instructors being hired, I have no doubt they will be just as capable. These new sim instructors you're referring to have yet to be qualified therefore you have no grounds for your assumptions.

Pedro4President 03-07-2017 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315578)
Perhaps poor quality of instructors is to blame. FO's are being hired as instructors now with not enough experience.

How many years of experience is enough? You do realize we have FOs that are more senior to CAs.

E175 Driver 03-07-2017 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2315632)
How many years of experience is enough? You do realize we have FOs that are more senior to CAs.

Thats irrelevant. They are still FO's and never had that 121 CA experience.

No thanks.

Bigpimppilot 03-07-2017 09:53 AM

Envoy only hires future captains.

Purpleanga 03-07-2017 09:57 AM

Maybe it's all the old timers they been hiring? Flying an RJ is more like playing a video game.

MD-11Loader 03-07-2017 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315656)
Thats irrelevant. They are still FO's and never had that 121 CA experience.

No thanks.

And what if they are typed pilots who have come over from another airline? I don't care who is teaching me the box, as long as they are proficient in the aircraft. JetBlue has sim instructors in the 190 who have never been line pilots, let alone captains, and yet their people are learning just fine.

filejw 03-07-2017 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315656)
Thats irrelevant. They are still FO's and never had that 121 CA experience.

No thanks.

Better stay away from United or Delta you will be uncomfortable..

E175 Driver 03-07-2017 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by filejw (Post 2315726)
Better stay away from United or Delta you will be uncomfortable..

United Delta or AA aren't even on the same level as envoy.

minimwage4 03-07-2017 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315740)
United Delta or AA aren't even on the same level as envoy.

Yea they don't fly that cheap plastic jungle jet that still feels light even with the engines under the wing.

filejw 03-07-2017 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315740)
United Delta or AA aren't even on the same level as envoy.

True but they use FO's for training and checking the point being get used to it.

Aksleddriver 03-07-2017 11:18 AM

I love theses threads, listen flying a plane is not rocket science ! ATP standards are what they are for a reason lol if you cant apply your self enough to pass an oral, if your flying isnt up to snuff to pass a type ride after 5 or so sim sessions, then you probly shouldt be a pilot, if you question your abilities to study and apply yourself to a course that the bar is set very low for, move on. I mean come on it not like your taking state medical board exams lol

E175 Driver 03-07-2017 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by filejw (Post 2315747)
True but they use FO's for training and checking the point being get used to it.

So a Major 777, 757, 767, 737 Airbus FO got the same experience as a jungle jet Regional 6yr FO with 0 PIC.

Got it.

Jersdawg 03-07-2017 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315780)
So a Major 777, 757, 767, 737 Airbus FO got the same experience as a jungle jet Regional 6yr FO with 0 PIC.

Got it.

Plenty of non military regional FOs hired at the majors in the last few years

Emerald 03-07-2017 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315780)
So a Major 777, 757, 767, 737 Airbus FO got the same experience as a jungle jet Regional 6yr FO with 0 PIC.

Got it.

Yes, quite possibly.

TiredSoul 03-07-2017 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315780)
So a Major 777, 757, 767, 737 Airbus FO got the same experience as a jungle jet Regional 6yr FO with 0 PIC.

Got it.


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tattooguy21 03-07-2017 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2314373)
My sim partner was a army pilot and he failed his oral. So don't think if you passed army training at ruckers this course will be easy.

Did he spend his time drinking or studying? Any aircraft/program that's new should be taken seriously. Do otherwise at your own risk (as seen here.)

But maybe that's the instructor in me talking.

TeeRainPULup 03-07-2017 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by tattooguy21 (Post 2315919)
Did he spend his time drinking or studying? Any aircraft/program that's new should be taken seriously. Do otherwise at your own risk (as seen here.)

But maybe that's the instructor in me talking.

He didn't get wasted every night if that's what your asking. He just wasn't studying as much as he needed too. He took the training to lightly.

tattooguy21 03-07-2017 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2315938)
He didn't get wasted every night if that's what your asking. He just wasn't studying as much as he needed too. He took the training to lightly.

Fair enough

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Mr Rumbold 03-07-2017 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2314404)
Even if you fail MESA will take you.

Any reason for capitalizing Mesa?
It doesn't stand for anything, like TSA, for example.
It's not MESA; it's Mesa.

Air Stang 7 03-07-2017 06:51 PM

What if it's an acronym? Maximum Earnings Saved Airline?

Privateer 03-07-2017 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 2314770)
Army rotorheads are usually good sticks but mentally slow.

Graduating Fort Rucker is one thing, making PC (Pilot-in-Command) is another. The prudent question to an Army Aviator is, did he make PC? This will tell you ones potential and probability of success to make it through training.

Flyboyxc91 03-07-2017 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315780)
So a Major 777, 757, 767, 737 Airbus FO got the same experience as a jungle jet Regional 6yr FO with 0 PIC.

Got it.

And I have 1,190 hours dual given to European trainee students that immediately go to an airbus or Boeing (300 TT) in the UK while I'm still actually flying a multi engine piston. Hmmmmmm I guess when I FINALLY do get on a "jungle jet" then that all of a sudden means the guy with 300 hours has more "experience" than the rest of all of us in the boat of having 1500+ hours... never mind your (insert) Type statement at X Airline in X seat. Troll it on.

E175 Driver 03-08-2017 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboyxc91 (Post 2316119)
And I have 1,190 hours dual given to European trainee students that immediately go to an airbus or Boeing (300 TT) in the UK while I'm still actually flying a multi engine piston. Hmmmmmm I guess when I FINALLY do get on a "jungle jet" then that all of a sudden means the guy with 300 hours has more "experience" than the rest of all of us in the boat of having 1500+ hours... never mind your (insert) Type statement at X Airline in X seat. Troll it on.

They do. Why? Because they get to fly a 200,000 lbs bird and I bet they are not doing CRP-LBB bs all day long.

Hurts.

Roger Rabbit 03-09-2017 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2315740)
United Delta or AA aren't even on the same level as envoy.

And Envoy is technically AA. LOL

AZPilotMike 03-09-2017 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by crj700 (Post 2314503)
One big mistake new hires make in training is not partnering up in a study group. You don't know what you don't know. If you try to study by yourself, you will miss areas that you didn't know you were weak on.

Start on memory items and limitations as soon as you get your a/c assignment. Learn your profiles to the point you can recite them forward/backwards and start in the middle.

When practicing callouts and flows, add a second activity to the drill. You fly the same way. Balance a marble in the center of a glass plate while walking around the room while making calls. Get a deck of cards and play solitare while reciting calls and flows. Anything to engage your mind with two tasks at once.

This mantra gets thrown in the mix a lot and while I agree it is right for some, it certainly isn't right for others. It is pretty clear what you need to "know" to get through the course and orals, so if you don't know what I mean, ask around your class.

I for one, struggle in group study as I find it distracting and often leads to tangents. The training is that of a fire hose and if you can focus in on what matters for the training, you will do fine.

AZPilotMike 03-09-2017 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold (Post 2316032)
Any reason for capitalizing Mesa?
It doesn't stand for anything, like TSA, for example.
It's not MESA; it's Mesa.

They capitalize it in their logo.


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