Recent Washout rate at Envoy
 

Hello,
does anyone know how tough the training is at Envoy? Might try for it.

Omg you're not applying to be an astronaut. Are you a professional pilot? Can you make the plane go up and down in a sim? Can you remember stuff? You should be good. I'm not sure what goes on there but traditionally older folks don't do well in regional training because they don't do well the first part of this paragraph.

Honestly, if you don't have 100% confidence in yourself and have to come on here to ask if it's too tough then Envoy may not be a good fit for you. It's not rocket science, but by no means is it easy. It's A LOT of info thrown at you very quickly and over a short period of time. I wouldn't say it's any more difficult than most other airline programs but it takes time, dedication, and lots of studying. If you struggle anytime during training whether it be in ground or sim, they will get you some extra help and work with you. If you were to get on the 145, which is more than likely what you'd get, the new AQP initial program moves pretty quickly and they will expect to to be able to regurgitate some knowledge and procedures early on.

Bottom line, it's tough but doable and they will bend over backwards to help you out. But if you're not totally confident in yourself or your abilities, or if you're a slow learner then it could eat your lunch.

Can't imagine it being any worse than Army flight school at Rucker. Will find out eventually

It's not even close. In fact it's so not close I can't explain how not close it is haha

Having recently completed the process I can say that there were a few people who struggled with the SV/PV and MV, but you aren't going to get signed off to take the QLOE if you're not ready. The instructors are amazing, there was only one that I didn't like. I have never flown anything but a 6 pack, so going to glass has been a hell of a transition, but if you ask questions and show that you are there to learn, then you'll sail through. Training is a tough and humbling experience at times, but if it was easy then everyone would want to be one of us.

My sim partner was a army pilot and he failed his oral. So don't think if you passed army training at ruckers this course will be easy.

Recent Washout rate at Envoy
 

To be honest, I think if anyone has trouble it's limited to a very small amount of problems.

1. Not familiar/no experience in glass cockpit. To some it can be like learning a new language, or interpreting an Egyptian symbol.

2. Bad study habits/taking notes

3. Bad attitude/low morale. I.e. No studying, always at the bar. Doesn't care of the outcome. Sometimes HR lets these slip through.

4. Lack of two-crew operations. It does actually help to get used to how flying with another pilot works. I've heard some guys just can't transition very well from single pilot.

5. Different class environment/Online study
I actually believe this one to be true for many. Most seasoned folks are used to the traditional classroom experience and run into hurdles with online internet studies without a person to explain something in a classroom. I do sympathize with this group. Because that's how I have always done initial training and can understand the problems it can inherit.


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Even if you fail MESA will take you.

Probably didn't give the program the respect it deserved. Mil pilots who flunk regional training are almost invariably guilty of arrogance.

Now I heard they'll keep training you till you'll finally get it. Especially if the pilot is serious in passing.

In the crj we had lost 2'out of 3 in the class before mine. The reason was because of attitude. If you show up and put in the the time and be respectful you'll be ok. Do I think it was easy? No, but was it hard? Not really. I just wish they lay out the course outline a little better.

There's a lot of self studying that needs to be done. People can't just show up to class and hope to learn everything there. New hires (and upgrades for that matter) need to be in the books, even during that nice ten day off stretch for CBTs.

Take responsibility for your studying and do it - if that is done, all will be fine. It's a lot and the firehose is in full force, but there is no reason anyone shouldn't be able to pass if they put in the work.

That's pretty funny, considering that there are more former Mesa pilots at Envoy than former Envoy pilots at Mesa. You are a sad individual.

I think 121 training is a little more compressed time wise. Difficulty should be about the same.

One big mistake new hires make in training is not partnering up in a study group. You don't know what you don't know. If you try to study by yourself, you will miss areas that you didn't know you were weak on.

Start on memory items and limitations as soon as you get your a/c assignment. Learn your profiles to the point you can recite them forward/backwards and start in the middle.

When practicing callouts and flows, add a second activity to the drill. You fly the same way. Balance a marble in the center of a glass plate while walking around the room while making calls. Get a deck of cards and play solitare while reciting calls and flows. Anything to engage your mind with two tasks at once.

It is, but the study habits that are learned help more. If an Army guy fails it's because he was arrogant. Bottom line

^^^^This. This is key, and is really an indicator of how serious one is about making it through training at any airline.

After class in the late afternoon, maybe hit the gym for a bit, take a walk, whatever. In other words, spend a couple of hours in a low stress environment in which your mind can wander a little. Maybe run through callouts, think about limitations, Memory Items. It's a great way to ingrain them in your mind while getting away from "the books" for a bit.

After that, say mid-evening, grab your dinner and relax. After that, head to your room and hit the books. Study that which has been assigned to you. Do the study questions. Likely, you'll end up doing this for a few hours till you're ready for bed.

The next day, same drill.

Through MANY Type training programs in my career, this approach has always worked for me. Basically, you immerse yourself completely in the task at hand, but give yourself a few hours each afternoon to decompress a bit.

I also suggest spending your lunch in the classroom learning the FMS on one of the computers. This will help tremendously when you get to the box and have to do it for real.

This. If you don't do this, your brain will eventually vapor lock.

Training is the worst time to skip exercise, do it daily even if it's just a long walk.

A good diet, especially "brain foods" (nuts, avocado, salmon, etc) will make a noticeable difference. Go real easy on the booze too.

Some people can just gut it out, many cannot.

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That diet does sound good. Thank you sir.

This schedule is unrealistic as it leaves no time for masturbating.

Army rotorheads are usually good sticks but mentally slow.

They don't call it a flow for nothing.

Guys, there is no reason to fail anything. Especially the oral, but also the checkride. All of our instructors these days are true treasures. I really mean that...the few bad apples are gone. And our AQP program is very low stress. With that said, it is still your personal responsibility to study as much as possible. Don't take this time for granted...hit the books, sacrifice free time now and you will have a brilliant career ahead of you.

My advice for studying is to break it down into parts. Study one system thoroughly before moving on to the next one. My method on the ERJ was always to start with the Electric system and move right on the overhead panel. Then warnings, autopilot, radar/tcas last. Study each system at a time, quiz yourself...and then pretend you are teaching the system to someone else.

The brain only takes in glucose. Those foods you mention are good for overall health and feeling good though. The brain works best if you carb load. Complex carbs not simple. I suggest a loaf of wheat bread and multiple 5 hour energies every day.:p

That's about the funniest thing I have seen here in years. Hope this helps you sleep at night!! :p

Huh? I don't get it...



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Seriously? I'm all for group study, but it usually consists of trying to call out memory items while balancing empty beer bottles on my head, while my sim partner chugs Jack Daniel's and tries to remember the name of the stripper he accidentally gave his home phone number to at Rick's Cabaret the night before! 6 long terms....zero failures!

It's not unrealistic at all. He said, " In other words, spend a couple of hours in a low stress environment in which your mind can wander a little." I see plenty of opportunities here!

Used to be like that. Not so much anymore. You have to come ready now.

Disregard, it's probably a penis envy thing.

My training can beat up your training.

Probably didn't get picked up haha

Everyone please stop freaking out. The oral is based on the study guide they give you. Learn that guide and you're all set. They can only ask you questions from that study guide and your limitations.

compartmentalize, compartmentalize, compartmentalize - just like the training modules - they evaluate on that particular module.

Incorrect. The question bank is a start point. If a weak area is noted, the examiner asks additional questions, not necessarily from the bank until he is satisfied with the students knowledge.

People typically don't have much trouble with the oral, it's the sim from where the majority of unsats come.

I was down there not too long ago. And the questions they can ask still have to come from the study guide. That's what I was told. So 2 questions per system and let's say I miss one then they can ask up to seven question from that section.

While the questions they ask tend to come from the study guide, I would think that all of AOM 1 & AOM 2, as well as FM1 are fair game. It doesn't say in the study guide that we aren't allowed to carry a backpack, but he asked it, and I knew that it was in FM1. I was also asked questions about the radar that weren't in the guide, and that's why it's a guide and not an overriding document.

The fm1 stuff yes. But not the AOM1 and 2. I actually asked the APD.