Either you are a grade-a troll, or grade-f stupid. Either way, best of luck.

For a while there flows were only getting about 30 days from selection to class. Also, the AA class on May 2nd only has 21, so they could be slowing down the hiring for summer.

Either way, I wouldn't get too stressed out about the Protected Pilot Agreement just yet. It would be a total momentum killer, if they were to mess with the flow right now. Management has finally turned the ship around and the seniority list is growing for the first time since the Comair II threats way back in 2014. I doubt they're going to do anything to mess that up.

This is a great opportunity for lifers and senior guys to make the jump.



Kimball Stone
Vice President– Flight

David Seymour
Senior Vice President– Integrated Operations



April 26, 2017


Good afternoon,

Tomorrow morning the company will share our first quarter earnings. As leaders in the operation, you played a large role in running a safe and reliable operation. Thank you for your professionalism and your leadership.

Today also brought news with Doug Parker and Robert Isom sharing information about building trust at American. Although we are only midway through our current pilot contract, we have approached the APA with a request to increase base pay rates for our pilots. While Doug and Robert offer more on the philosophy behind this unprecedented adjustment (see Jetnet for a short video featuring both of them), we want to share additional details on what today’s news means for you.

When we first merged, we made a commitment to all team members that their base pay would be in line with top of industry rates. That was true as we negotiated new joint agreements, and it remains true today for all groups except two. Pilots are one of those groups.

We’ve heard many pilots say that American’s base pay rates have fallen too far below those of our major competitors. What’s worse, with more than two years left on the existing contract, it’s simply too long to wait. In this new world where building a culture based on trust at American is at the forefront, we agree.

None of us anticipated other airlines increasing their rates so much higher than ours with so much time left before our contract becomes amendable. This is why we have asked the APA to allow a base pay rate adjustment of approximately 8 percent on average (increases will range from 7 percent to 8.7 percent depending on seniority and equipment) for our pilots. If agreed, this adjustment would immediately put you on par with our competitors.

Today’s news is not simply a pay adjustment. And we know you can’t buy trust. Rather it is indicative that the time has come for all of us at American to begin to trust each other. It is time to look forward and work together to build a culture where trust and support permeate all we do for each other and for our customers.

One pay adjustment won’t undo all of our history, nor is it intended to. But this is a new American, and when combined with initiatives such as restoring profit sharing and awarding two positive space roundtrip travel tickets after becoming ATW’s Airline of the Year, we are on the right track. There’s still more to do, and we will continue to work closely with the APA on improvements in crew scheduling and administration, and on behalf of the Flight Department, we’re excited about the opportunities ahead.

From a logistics standpoint, these increases can become effective as early as the May bid period if the APA agrees. You’ll see a full list of the proposed pay scales attached to this letter.

Thank you for your continued professionalism and commitment to safety, and for all you do as leaders in our operation. Congratulations on these well-deserved increases. It is a new day for American and for all of us fortunate enough to be a part of this team.


Kimball David

AA needs you there to fly their regional feed, they don't need you at mainline. I hope there's not more guys there with your mentality of turning down other airlines because you're going to flow a year or two later.

Haha! We are talking about AAG here. I would not be surprised if they pull the gun out of the holster, point to the ground and squeeze.


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No they're already technically AA pilots according to you remember? And they fly AA planes with top seniority in DFW or ORD why go to LGA or be 20 year reserve in DFW. You are so dumb or for your sake just a troll.

Why? Because that would not be in our own best interests, or yours?

envoy's top pay is $108.00 hr. at 18 year plus. Second year AA pay is $119.00hr plus the 8% they just got. Better benefits as well.

Beyond me why we have this old timers working like mules for peanuts.

Have you ever considered, that $108 an hour might be the lowest paying of several jobs we have? Or that $108 an hour is everything others need and actually enjoy their quality of life? There's way more to life than commuting to a higher paying job and being on the bottom of a seniority list. Besides, we have a responsibility of keeping myopic Millennials like you in line, and in the appropriate seat!

I fly with a lot of lifers these days, most of them stayed because of QOL. While I'm sure the raises will be enough for a handful to change their minds, most that I talk to say they don't want a commute to reserve for the last few years of their career. They would also stand lose a ton of vacation time, which is another common reason I hear. Most of these guys could have made the jump 4 years ago, so it'll be hard reverse that decision now. We'll find out in a couple months.