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ORDinary 08-24-2017 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by GodIsGood (Post 2418666)
The recruitment department isn't saying 5.5 years. That was the old number with the 2.5 year upgrade announcement. Recruitment has increased the flow projection with the increased hiring every month.
I like how everyone called the recruiters disingenuous and liars when they announced 2.5 year upgrades. Now it's soon to be less than a year and you now attack the flow projection.
The recruitment department does not sell the flow like you say. They do not say it is a guarantee. They tell the potential new hires that if AA stops hiring than the flow stops.
Get your facts straight before defaming an entire department.

Literally yesterday I saw a sponsored post on this website Envoy that stated, as if it were fact, that a new hire will flow to AA in 6 years. That is dishonest.

Edit: Just saw it now: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...8E0NA&prx_ro=p

cr700 08-24-2017 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2418795)
Literally yesterday I saw a sponsored post on this website Envoy that stated, as if it were fact, that a new hire will flow to AA in 6 years. That is dishonest.

Edit: Just saw it now: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...8E0NA&prx_ro=p

Why is it dishonest? Because you say so? You have no idea of the inner workings at Envoy or AAG. You are going to flow to AA. Why are you so bitter?

Jersdawg 08-24-2017 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2418804)
Why is it dishonest? Because you say so? You have no idea of the inner workings at Envoy or AAG. You are going to flow to AA. Why are you so bitter?

Here we go....

amcnd 08-24-2017 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2418822)
Here we go....

Bingo!! LOL. They told me 2-3 years... I bounced after 6. Would have been 16....

Pedro4President 08-24-2017 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2418804)
Why is it dishonest? Because you say so? You have no idea of the inner workings at Envoy or AAG. You are going to flow to AA. Why are you so bitter?

It's dishonest. Even a recruiter said they know the flow is going to increase because of the massive amounts of new hires.

Shiner 08-24-2017 07:26 AM

The recruiting departments projections also don't factor in outside attrition, which so far has been steady and, in my opinion, is only going to increase. I think when slowdowns or hiccups occur for just a month or two you see a lot of frustration because the guys within a year of flowing have been waiting a very long time and haven't had it very easy at Envoy over the past 5 years.

E190 Driver 08-24-2017 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by HardLemonade (Post 2418689)
Oh, talkairline..so it must be true. If Eagle Lounge is the internet's Fox News talkairline is Breitbart.

I shouldn't have to point this out but I will anyway. I seriously doubt any actual recruiter posts on any message board. You guys go bananas anytime someone posts anything positive, and that person is immediately labeled as a "recruiter" when in reality they most likely are not.

Which, you know...whatever. But it becomes a problem when we witness your multiple posts in this thread. You are defaming and slandering an entire department of hardworking people ( co-workers of yours, no less ) based on false information others push forward on message boards. A group of knuckleheads start calling anonymous online posters "recruiters" and the rest of you believe they are, in actuality recruiters. That's bad, man. Get a grip on reality.

Not defending anyone here, however, when you have said online persona saying they are on SA in the recruiting dept and they are promoting the gibberish and constantly defend the language they and mgmt are spewing it is hard to not call BS

SilentLurker 08-24-2017 07:33 AM

2 month flow hiatus
 

Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2418795)
Literally yesterday I saw a sponsored post on this website Envoy that stated, as if it were fact, that a new hire will flow to AA in 6 years. That is dishonest.

Edit: Just saw it now: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...8E0NA&prx_ro=p


Read beyond the bold, large font headliner of the Ad. You will all see the last paragraph state:

"A new Envoy pilot hired today is projected to upgrade to Captain in about one year and flow to American in about six years, which is the fastest of any regional. By the end of 2017, Envoy will have successfully placed nearly 1,300 pilots with American, representing almost 65% of all new hires since 2010."

ORDinary 08-24-2017 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2418804)
Why is it dishonest? Because you say so? You have no idea of the inner workings at Envoy or AAG. You are going to flow to AA. Why are you so bitter?

Obviously it is just my opinion that it is dishonest. The math doesn't add up and some people in our management have a history of dishonesty. The 330+ claim was dishonest too. As was your claim for everyone to "count on" 40/month flow beginning in January. It is hilariously ironic that you of all people would jump into action to defend someone's honesty in flow estimates.

Calling out your lies doesn't mean I am bitter.

ORDinary 08-24-2017 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2418845)
Read beyond the bold, large font headliner of the Ad. You will all see the last paragraph state:

"A new Envoy pilot hired today is projected to upgrade to Captain in about one year and flow to American in about six years, which is the fastest of any regional. By the end of 2017, Envoy will have successfully placed nearly 1,300 pilots with American, representing almost 65% of all new hires since 2010."

Overall it is a pretty good ad. I think people should pick envoy over other regionals. But they are not projected to flow in 6 years, unless the contract changes.


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