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Boogerface 08-26-2017 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2419930)
Does anyone outside the guys close to the flow actually care anymore about flowing? It's like 8 years now. Prospective pilots are now even talking about "beating the flow" LOL

Unless they can get the flow to about 4 years or less, it really isn't a selling point. They figured this out when FO bonuses and pay rate increases came about. The flow mostly benefits the company, because they get maxed out captains off their payroll.

itsmytime 08-26-2017 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2419930)
Does anyone outside the guys close to the flow actually care anymore about flowing? It's like 8 years now. Prospective pilots are now even talking about "beating the flow" LOL

It's taken plenty of guys longer than 8 yrs to get hired at a major without a flow.

ORDinary 08-26-2017 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Boogerface (Post 2419938)
Unless they can get the flow to about 4 years or less, it really isn't a selling point. They figured this out when FO bonuses and pay rate increases came about. The flow mostly benefits the company, because they get maxed out captains off their payroll.

It also benefits them to have a high percentage of the attrition at a controlled and mostly predictable rate. It is definitely a benefit to pilots as well.

itsmytime 08-26-2017 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2419992)
It also benefits them to have a high percentage of the attrition at a controlled and mostly predictable rate. It is definitely a benefit to pilots as well.

Exactly. There is absolutely NO disadvantage to having a flow as a pilot. None, zero, zilch, zip, nada!

ORDinary 08-26-2017 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2420023)
Exactly. There is absolutely NO disadvantage to having a flow as a pilot. None, zero, zilch, zip, nada!

Um, I didn't say that.

itsmytime 08-26-2017 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2420043)
Um, I didn't say that.

are you saying their is a disadvantage to flow for a pilot with one?

ORDinary 08-26-2017 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2420228)
are you saying their is a disadvantage to flow for a pilot with one?

Nope, didn't say that either.

Boogerface 08-26-2017 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2420023)
Exactly. There is absolutely NO disadvantage to having a flow as a pilot. None, zero, zilch, zip, nada!

I don't think anyone implied that there is a disadvantage to the pilots. But, the company would have no reason to do it unless there was a financial advantage to them. Potential recruits need to understand this when it's pitched to them by recruiters.

itsmytime 08-26-2017 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Boogerface (Post 2420262)
I don't think anyone implied that there is a disadvantage to the pilots. But, the company would have no reason to do it unless there was a financial advantage to them. Potential recruits need to understand this when it's pitched to them by recruiters.

Yeah, but so what? So it's a win-win. Nothing wrong with that.

itsmytime 08-26-2017 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2420242)
Nope, didn't say that either.

I was never trying to put words in your mouth. I was agreeing with your post which is why I said "exactly." The flow comments were strictly my own. Sorry for the confusion.


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