Well obviously you're just trolling again.

At least we know rondon doesn't actually believe his own posts, but it seems like you do. Is this how you came up with your 40/mo promise?

Little do most dont know but the 5 year flow is in the past now. With the current state a new hire won't flow in 5. Not even 6. So why keep selling this? Fake news.


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I'd beg to differ. I'd say most know this. I would say however, is that little do the forum company salesmen acknowledge this inconvenient bit of information. It's pretty common knowledge that projected flow for someone hired today is already around the 8 year mark and rising with every large new hire class that starts.

Sorry, that was meant for any prospective pilot. Anyone who is on the seniority list already has access to this information. My statement still stands.


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Are people typically waiting it out or is there a consistent percent of guys getting hired on elsewhere like Delta or United etc? Do the numbers reflect that or do they assume every pilot will wait for the flow?

Right now, attrition to other airlines is extremely low. The numbers are based on every pilot flowing. I would expect attrition to the other 2 legacies to increase over the next few years when the retirements really start getting out of control.

Do you think attrition to other airlines is low because other airlines just aren't hiring like crazy at the moment or b/c Envoy is WO by AA and they rather go pick others for whatever reason right now?

While there was the occasional FO hired for the most part the last few years you needed a lot of PIC hours to get hired at Delta or United. By the time you reached that many Captain hours here you were close enough to flow that you stopped trying so hard for the other big two, especially since AA is in a slightly earlier stage of their hiring wave than the others. This has been my experience along with others around my seniority. Obviously some have been hired, but a lot of us didn't become really competitive until we were closer to flowing and then gave up. Of course this trend will probably change.

It's still very competitive to get on with one of the 3 legacies. I think more guys would be willing to leave to go to places like Spirit, Jet Blue, Frontier, etc. if there wasn't a flow. But I think a lot of guys would rather just wait it out for the chance to flow to a legacy instead of jumping somewhere else and giving up their flow.