Envoy Flow at 12 Years
 

I got news that the last person select for flow was hired in 2005. That is 12 year or more flow. What about these recruiter here who say the flow is 5 or 6 years?

Lol. Seriously??? Ok. I'll explain it. I'm bored in training right now. No one is saying 5-6 year flow right now except maybe a add that is still floating around out there. And the 5-6 year flow are for the people hired between 2014-summer 2016ish. Pilots in that time frame will have the shortest flow. The recruiting department isn't even pushing a 6year flow.

I know. Projections right?

Thanks for the heads up, I won't apply in 2005 now.

That's probably about the average time it takes to get to a Major, if one is able to score a job offer at a major. The average is probably beginning to get shorter.

This guy gets it.
Rondon isn't the sharpest tool but he still is a tool.

That is good as 2005 is 12 years ago now. Do you say there is 6 year flow to American airlines now?

The 2005 flows will go to 2011 flows in about 2 years (when the Protected Pilots finish flowing). Why? How can 6 years of hires flow in 2 just years?

Simple answer. They are a part of the 'lost decade' when there were very few hires. So there are not many pilots hired in those years to flow.

As I have said on other threads, just a few years ago, pilots were flowing with 25+ years at a regional (most Envoy/Eagle, some with other regionals then Envoy). Why? Because up until a few years ago, AA was hiring few pilots. Heck, until 2016 they still had TWA pilots on furlow.

My how things have changed. That change is going to accelerate over the next few years, even more because retirements are increasing at the majors.

Yes. Projections and simple math. Both of which you apparently have no idea how to do.

For someone on the lower end of the intelligence scale like yourself, let me give you a crash course here. Simply take the amount of flows each month and divide them with the amount on the seniority list and voila, there is your projected flow date. This is where you come up where you stand in the flow, i.e. 5 years from date of hire or 5 years and 9 months from date of hire, etc.

LOL only if it was that simple!!! First off you have to find the seniority number of the person to last flow and subtract it from the number of the last protected pilot and divide that by 30 and then divide that by 11 and then you get the number of months and set it aside. Then you subtract the first non protected pilot seniority number to the last seniority number of the pilot who was on property when the new contract was signed. Take that number and divide by 15 and then divide by 11 and set that number aside with the other number you set aside. Then take the seniority number of the first pilot hired after the new contract and subtract it from your seniority number. Take that number and divide it by 20ish and divide that number by 11. Unless AA hires less than 880 pilots that year then take the number of AA pilots hired and divide by 4. Take that number and divide by 12 and then take that number and divide by the number of pilots in your group. Once you get the last number grab it and put it with the other two numbers you set aside and add them together to get the total months to flow.

NOT so simple.