It did make a difference but lots of lifers coming in on top with unknown future growth.

It makes the Airbus-737 training a breeze at AA. Better technology that the e145-C7 old obsolete birds.

Aint that the truth! Regionalifers! what a way to end your career on a YYZ turn.

I didn't know you went through AA training on the bus. Maybe give a full comparison so we can learn.

Btw it's the opposite.

Since the LOA has been pulled I heard new reserv and pay scales are being devised. Someone confirm such rumors.

That's really what the union email sounded like, but I would love to hear from someone in the know.

Any new news? C’mon big $$$!

Not until people start leaving or hiring numbers hurt.

Turning down the reserve LOA put the kabosh on pay raises!

Neither one have anything to do with the other. AAG is the one that will or will not roll out pay raises at the 3 WOs. RSV negotiations at Envoy will have no bearing on what AAG decides to do about that.

tell you what, give the pay raises first and then we will see.

Shiatsu massagers in the pilot seats... and each newly christened 175 driver gets a baby unicorn.

If cr700 wants that loa so bad you know it was a bum deal. Hey cr700, are you supportive of pay raises for all pilots on the seniority list?

I think that once again I've been confused with CR700. Of course I support pay raises for all pilots. Who wouldn't?

No he is talking about you. Your last post could be misunderstood to be negative.

I know that you aren’t the CR700 tool, but your post insinuates that it was stupid to “turn down” that garbage LOA. Furthermore, you act like the RSV LOA has any effect on future pay raises, which it doesn’t.

Is Charlie Bucket still a sucker?

With Endeavor TA passing time for the company to match.

Thinking small time. Why only match?

Because not a leader but a follower.

Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They better at least match at a minimum, or they will feel long term effects. This includes the reserve rule changes, pay rates and commuting rules...time to finally adapt to the times.

EDV 2nd year FO pay will be only $7.81/hr less than Envoy year 2 CA pay.

Envoy Pay Raises
 

I know for a fact lateral movements and decisions to go to EDV has already ramped up in only a couple days into TA passage. 2 Buddy's at XJT, 2 others in flight school, another at a part 135. Hearing the same from others.

The buzz is growing all over the country. Our recruiting numbers at ENY will drop slightly I'm sure. Hard to make predictions but I've seen ENY over the years make slow decisions, often reactionary rather than assertive leadership. Maybe it's the whole AA managing 3/WO thing & leadership structure. I don't know. I do know that trends don't lie, people do. Historical trend and data are not deceptive, words from people in mgmt are.

Going to EDV & Delta is a no brainer decision. DL/EDV takes good care of its people & they have much better pay & QOL than Eagle/ENY. Hell most of the other WO have better QOL & RSV rules also.

Let's "grow grow grow" huh?

"We have the flow"

You will not need the flow starting next year through the next 8yrs. Remember, if industry takes a dive due to economic or global damnation, NOBODY will flow or get hired by any big 6 major! Has the lightbulb turned on yet? Chase the QOL/Money/Base, not unknown wet dream or flows. It's nice back pocket, that's all. Look back at how management behaved historically when times were tough & good, flow is no guarantee when simple contract language & sprit of the contracts are being violated. #Truth

***insert Morgan freeman meme***

Based on some of the projections I’ve seen from AA regarding their retirements, even if the US or global economy took a major hit to a point that historically they would consider furloughing they simply can’t. And in fact it is likely that they wouldn’t even be able to stop hiring for very long depending on exactly when a hypothetical event took place. The numbers are staggering.

Anyone heard anything on a 20dollar per hour raise across the board for both FOs and CAs?

Yep. Heard that it's not gonna happen.

For some pay steps, that would still be less than Endeavour pay rates. Hilarious eh? And by “hilarious”... I mean sad.

So Commutair is paying FO's captain rates 2nd year. I bet a lot of people didnt know this.


https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...onal/commutair

No they are paying them CA rate 12 months after OE completion. Could be up to 18-20 months after hire date.

Ret bonus
 

A friend of mine FO at Envoy started back towards the end of Sept 2016 last year. Is he elegible for retention bonus for December? If so what amount? Thanks!

Great News
 

A lot of buzz about new pay scales flying around. Exciting times at Envoy for fos and finally captains.

Dacuj might be right for once? Is that possible?

A lot of buzz where? Please tell me from somewhere reliable and not line and schoolhouse rumors. Because the only info I've gotten from a reliable source has indicated no new pay scales until hiring takes a hit.

I wouldn't be surprised either way. I'm keeping my expectations low, however.

My understanding is hiring is taking a hit. People are looking long term beyond the one time signing bonus and no showing classes. The question is, is it big enough?

Good news is Union work is in process.

As a pilot group we must make our voice heard.

Why work here when you can make over 30 grand or more somewhere else doing the exact same thing.

People are not blind, management knows this, just trying to mum it as long as possible. That's why you should contact rep and voice your opinion.

Food for thought
 

I’m happy at Envoy so don’t get me wrong in this post, but thinking from a new hires perspective...

...especially as a commuter.
Why would you come here?

Endeavor is basically offering first year engineering pay. All pay rates (FO and CA) are on “mainline levels.” For the first time in history captains at Endeavor will actually be taking a pay cut to go to mainline.

So why come to Envoy or go anywhere else for that matter? Unless you live in a Envoy, PSA, Peidmont, Skywest etc. base, why would anyone go to any of those places? 60+ % of us commute? 5 year flow has come and gone... a pilot hired today at any AAG whollyown will flow in 8+ years because they are growing all of them and the way the (flow) contracts are written currently today for a new hire coming in, it allows AAG whollyowneds to withhold more pilots at the regional level. It’s a scam. Delta American united jet blue southwest etc are hiring like crazy and it’s only going to be ramped up more. If your a good egg, you will be hired at one of them.

Again I don’t hate my job and life at Envoy, we do have perks. But pay is not one of them...

People will realize this and our class numbers will go down come February/March. Mark my words.

The company saying “well you have flow” is not and will not be good enough. Time for a raise. They are profiting more now thAn they ever have in history, time to reward the people doing the work. Especially the captains, who have been getting pathetic excuses for raises forever.

Amen! Pass the plate, let's pray, and head on over to the pavillion for our covered dish lunch!

I’m curious. If there are pay raises to match ENV, what will happen to the bonuses?


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Talk to your Reps. Pay raises are not being discussed. In fact the company told our union not even being considered unless new hire number diminishes drastically.

So anyone thinking about envoy over endeavor, pay raises are not likely.