Envoy Pay Raises
 

With Endeavor's new TA pay raises and Republic quickly following...when will Envoy match and if so what would it look like?

We don't need a pay raise, we have flow.

...well, the union just scrapped the reserve overhaul proposal. endeavor was mentioned in the email, so maybe!

stop metering and keep flowing!

Unfortunately money talks...

I am trying to convince people to come to Envoy but with Endeavor's huge pay schedule and their even bigger credit months they earn so much more then the average Envoy pilot. Knowing that something is in the works would help ease their minds on deciding.

Also without matching wont morale just plummet?

Who knows until there are new rates inked in our CBA. Based on some of the whispers I have heard, I believe that if EDV votes in the TA, AAG will raise rates at the WOs. That's what I think is in the future, but won't believe it until I see it. And that's IF the EDV TA passes. There are LOTS of guys over there that are going to vote no, believe it or not. Their pilot group is furious that the deal still doesn't have a flow. Stay tuned ladies and gents....

6 months after Envoy scrapes the bottom of the Barrel of pilot recruitment and can’t fill classes... and pay raised to within $5/hour of endeavors.

GOOD NEWS FRIDAY!!

And no, it's not that I saved money on my car insurance by switching to Geico. It's the big enchilada we are all waiting for.

Well..half the enchilada anyway. School House boys are getting the raise first. Line grunts sometime early next year.

Join me in a toast. Now excuse me while I go make some bad decisions at the local Fuzzy Taco.

Source? Details? Anything?

Yeah, what he said! ^^^^

Source is a friend in the school house with good connections..he told me about MIA and LGA about a month before they announced them..and about the bonuses back when that went down. So he's credible.

Details? Only details he has is pertaining to the school house raises. It'll match what Endeavor is getting. The raises for line pilots is still a few months or more away..so no details yet. But I imagine it'll also match Endeavor at a minimum.

By 'school house' are you referring to new hires or instructors or recruiters or all of the above? I didn't think is was permissable to give a portion of the pilot group a different wage rate the another part?

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He is talking about instructor/check airmen. The wage rate will remain the same but the credited hours per month could change.

Dude, you definitely make me want to tune in at least every couple of days to see what comedic entertainment is in store as the Envoy adventure continues.

Doesn't the school house get 95 hr/month as is. I don't see how they can pay them more of an hourly wage than a line pilot. If so, time too decertify ALPA.

See post 12

I actually got the quote to switch from GEICO to Metlife, GEICO where I'm insured alone is double what its going to cost to insure my wife and myself at Metlife. I'm signing up.

If they're going to match EDV, it's only an extra 5 hours a month. The EDV TA pays instructors 100 hrs/month vs our 95. Now, pair that monthly credit with new pay rates, and then we'd be in business.

I'm a cfi trying to decide where to go, I have 1400 and although I like the idea of the flow at Envoy because I have no degree, I do firmly believe this will not be a factor in a few years with all the retirements.
With that said, I'm not sure if go to envoy for the bonus or Endeavor for their new TA. Tough decision, what do you guys recommend.

Whatever endeavor does Envoy and any other Wholly Owned will follow suit paywise.

Go with which ever has a base you can drive to.

Envoy (Flow), is my opinion, is going to be the ticket because I still believe that not having a degree limits the doors that will open for some....over time that has always been the tie breaker

Is this guy for real with that username??

Well I wondered the same but figured if the moderator stamped his entry, then he must be ok with???? Nick must fly inverted

Thanks for the advice, I am single no kids so I can load up my Chevrolet Malibu and drive wherever, I just cant stomach the traffic in the NY tri state area and now Envoy's dfw seems harder to get than ever. I really like thr idea of a WO this is why I weighin in my options

Haha I wish, no acrobatics for me my friend. Although the e175 would be nice to fly in general, that's another reason I like Envoy. Soon they'll be all 175 fleet. (Keeping fingers crossed)

Bind your fingers. It will make it easier on you.


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I rode this e190 the other day .. it was actually mainland, the captain didnt like the fact that I asked if they were republic. I really thought it was a 175 :rolleyes:

The legacies will never be in a tough spot trying to find candidates. I'd be extremely nervous about not having a degree if a legacy is you end goal.

You’re not going to see teir 1 airline relax their degree requirements as long as their filling classes. You’ll see the U/LCCs do so first but there’s a greater chance of the next recession hitting before places like Delta eliminate their degree requirements and the others reduce its level of preference.

If you go to endeavor plan on being there long term if you don’t get a degree (you won’t pass DGI without a 4 year degree). At least with Envoy you’ll have a way out via the flow if no one you like calls.

I happen to be a big guy and my name is Nick. I'm not using foul language. What seems to be the issue?

Do you also dig yourself into holes, Big Nick?

This guy must he 175’s brother


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Go to Envoy I’d you don’t have a degree. You will not get in with a major without one.

I'm not a hole digger. No checkride failures for that matter. Thanks guys for the advice I will likely apply to Envoy soon hopefully I can get the 175, it just looks so cool.

I wouldn’t bet on it. You must not have done much research on envoy.

Mods changed my username idk why..

I did my research turns out my flight school is part of the pipeline program so looks like I will he going that route, once in class as a pipeline guy as far as I know I'll be one of the first for aircraft/domicile

I have a pretty good idea why...

Anyway we have 40 175s now. 4 more on the way in 2 months with no news about more. More guys flowing will be coming from 145s and we will be getting more 140s from the desert. Perhaps if your over 55 and do the pipeline program you have a shot. Even then you’ll be the most junior guy on a slow climb in the 175 seniority list. Better off going for the 145 and driving to Miami base. You’ll probably say I’m crazy. That’s why I said what I did about you doing your research. It’s a big gamble on your part to hope for the 175. Even sillier to expect it.

What's so great about the 175? It's new and pretty but, what else?

Career > equipment IMO. I guess SJS still exists?

Bigger plane = longer routes. Essentially the 145 does DFW, tyr txk act abi sps law grk. This is our main route structure. Compare it to DFW Canada or cities on the east coast. If I had a choice I'd choose 175 FO but 145 CA.

Got it.. More efficient lines. Thanks

Also relative seniority plays into it. Movement above you combined with the growth of the 175 fleet makes a difference as well.