Who is staying around longer because of metering or delayed classes at AA? Flow is a backup and should be used as such. It's nice to have a solid backup while building flight time and applying to all the legacies. I just found out today that one of my buddies got hired off the street for November.
Get a life rondon. Do you post on all the other airline forums that they have to stay around longer at their regional when AA cancels new hire classes?

The envoy pilots is staying around longer because of the delayed flow amigo. I have to come here and inform the hombres is all you do is recruiting lies. They need truth more than the lies.

Hardly. I’ve always said the flow is a backup. I’m building my resume and applying as I meet the mins at the majors.

You should get help before it’s too late.
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Tell you what brah. I'll get some "help" and you enact your backup plan because you are going to need it. That is unless you see a solid 10 years at envoy as palatable till flow.

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My friend. You just admit in your own post that inexperience is what you are. You might take the advice of wise ones on this forum and stop drinking company coolaid.

Three thing:

1- The company negotiated in bad faith when they said we could flow 50% of AA new hire class but never intended to honor it.

2- I think most people have some type of Stockholm syndrome or they are just numb to the fact that the company doesn't honor the contract.

3. No uproar will take place by the pilot group until they company breaks the 25 per month minimum. And even then I'm not sure the level of backlash will be very strong if the contract violation isn't perceived to be very egregious.

But in all fairness your post are usually over stating the negatives or you are just making stuff up. No one likes you here and you have no credibility because you aren't objective or honest.

Yeah it seems bad faith negotiations to me. Prior to #40 they could always say we'll it was arbitrated that way, now that we have them it's all based off what we negotiated and publicly stating never more than 25 throws out their "staffing needs" vs bad faith argument.

But like all things with Envoy it will come down to what an arbitrator will rule. I just hope they've weakened their case.

What part of my post was a lie?

The recruiting department has never lied about flow or upgrade. They said the upgrade time was going to drop to 2.5 years when it was, at that time, 8.5 years. Everyone said we were liars then and it's now dropped to weeks. Did anyone make any apologies after publicly defaming the recruitment department and it's team? Nope.
In regards to flow, the recruitment department has always used the minimum flow numbers(metering numbers) to determine the 6 year flow. Its now increasing because of the size of new hire classes and the department admits that. But that assumes that nobody leaves to the other legacies over the next 6-8 years.

Use the flow as a backup and a way to consistently move up the seniority list while at Envoy. That's the part of the flow nobody ever talks about. Who doesn't want to be at an airline where they move up at least 25 numbers every month!? Plus you have attrition to other airlines. If a new hire can't live with an 8 year flow right now, than go somewhere else. Enjoy the slower upward movement, longer upgrades, and no back-up plan. Nobody is tricking anyone into coming to Envoy!