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Old 12-20-2017 | 02:45 PM
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Congratulations. Looks like management has effectively “Envoyed” the flow.
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Old 12-20-2017 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Congratulations. Looks like management has effectively “Envoyed” the flow.
In 3 to 4 years no one will need the flow anymore. If you are a captain with 1,000 hours PIC 121 you will go to a legacy way faster than 3 or 4 years if you have a degree and no skeletons in your closet.
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Old 12-20-2017 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by citxls
The unfortunate reality at “eagle” is that none of this should come as a surprise to anyone who came here. We had absolutely no representation when management forcefully closed MIA and NY, and our union was nowhere to be found to protect any pilots that were affected. ALPA did nothing other than to send us emails to fill out job applications with companies that were actively hiring.

“Eagle” has metered flow in the past and I’m sure they will again. Even as a wholly owned they have to meet or exceed the quota at cost or less set by Doug and they will not allow flights to be cancelled due to lack of pilots because of flow. Contract violations have always been par for the course. Keep the flow in your back pocket and update your apps regularly.
Until the union (association) start utilizing professional negotiators, experienced in aviation labor contract negotiations, we will continue to wallow in our "situation."
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Old 12-20-2017 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Virga show
In 3 to 4 years no one will need the flow anymore. If you are a captain with 1,000 hours PIC 121 you will go to a legacy way faster than 3 or 4 years if you have a degree and no skeletons in your closet.
I've heard this for years.....
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Old 12-20-2017 | 06:19 PM
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Darn right the company doesn't appreciate the pilots. You fellas see the snazzy t-shirts all the FAs got? Where are ours? I want a gaudy looking E 175 splayed across my breasts with "Envoy" written over the nipple.
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Old 12-20-2017 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
I've heard this for years.....


Last time you heard it the Age 65 rule was passed. “Times have changed,” the “world has changed.”
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Old 12-20-2017 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rakk6
Until the union (association) start utilizing professional negotiators, experienced in aviation labor contract negotiations, we will continue to wallow in our "situation."
Just a gawker here, but that sentiment is just sour grapes and is heard at just about every ALPA airline at some point. The reality is each represented pilot has to know the contract, enforce the contract, and not give an inch every single day if you're going to move the ball forward.

ALPA has plenty of resources to get competent pilots to the table and arm them with deep knowledge to make real CBA gains. Regional contracts are especially difficult given a somewhat transient labor pipeline, young CBAs, and a fair share of pilots working in their first union shop. It's hard to get and stay unified, but we're pulling for ya.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 01:05 AM
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American has regional pilots flying pax for 1/3 to 1/4 the cost of a mainline pilot. Why would they want to cannibalize that? Mainline is fully agreeable to limiting flow. What are the actual numbers of AA new hires from Envoy vs other sources. That’s how you see if it’s really flow or I’d its just smoke.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 02:29 AM
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2017 numbers
263 Envoy flow
45 PDT flow
52 PSA flow
225 Street hires with military training
60 Street hires with civilian training
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Old 12-21-2017 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RawHide
2017 numbers
263 Envoy flow
45 PDT flow
52 PSA flow
225 Street hires with military training
60 Street hires with civilian training
I didn't realize how sad the PSA flow really was, PDT is almost at the same number with a much smaller pilot group. Almost feel bad for PSA pilots and then i remember 2013.
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