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DilsonWic 12-21-2017 06:17 AM
And don’t forget the union email to the company saying they want CRJs and eagle pilots to come with it.

bigtime209 12-21-2017 06:24 AM
Originally Posted by moon (Post 2487145)
I didn't realize how sad the PSA flow really was, PDT is almost at the same number with a much smaller pilot group. Almost feel bad for PSA pilots and then i remember 2013.
Yeah, well they're flowing guys right now hired in 2011ish while we're flowing guys hired in 2006. It'll be years before we catch up.

BizJet 12-21-2017 10:33 AM
Originally Posted by moon (Post 2487145)
I didn't realize how sad the PSA flow really was, PDT is almost at the same number with a much smaller pilot group. Almost feel bad for PSA pilots and then i remember 2013.
How I've heard it we screwed ourselves during the Flow talks. Our guy wanted to leave early and signed the first offer contract while ENY and PDT came back the next day and got the second offer.

Bigpimppilot 12-21-2017 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2487339)
How I've heard it we screwed ourselves during the Flow talks. Our guy wanted to leave early and signed the first offer contract while ENY and PDT came back the next day and got the second offer.
Please put in your sig you work for psa. Psa planned on growing balls to the wall. You can’t have that and high flow. You can’t have street captains and 5 year flow. Just look at Envoy

egl2fdx 12-21-2017 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2487153)
Yeah, well they're flowing guys right now hired in 2011ish while we're flowing guys hired in 2006. It'll be years before we catch up.
Proof of this? Hard to believe.

bigtime209 12-21-2017 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by egl2fdx (Post 2487394)
Proof of this? Hard to believe.
Ask your ALPA leadership

moon 12-21-2017 04:08 PM
Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2487339)
How I've heard it we screwed ourselves during the Flow talks. Our guy wanted to leave early and signed the first offer contract while ENY and PDT came back the next day and got the second offer.
Well that may be how your flow talks worked. Ours was they offered the first 30 every month and 50% for the list and we said no. Then our experts negotiators at ALPA managed to bring that down to 25 and 15 and whatever the ration for new hires is.

Bigpimppilot 12-22-2017 08:36 AM
We should have voted no on that one too. Management knew you were sweating

egl2fdx 12-25-2017 07:54 AM
Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2487439)
Ask your ALPA leadership
2007-2008 right now according to a pilot still over there.

OldBiff 12-27-2017 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Rakk6 (Post 2486824)
Until the union (association) start utilizing professional negotiators, experienced in aviation labor contract negotiations, we will continue to wallow in our "situation."
This. For those that complain about the “intent” of the flow realize that any decent attorney would not have let that soft language into the “contract”. INAL but when I read it I thought “why would they ever do more than 25?” Good faith has a very strict deffinition in the law, which this clause doesn’t violate. The entire document is rife with undefined terms (operational necessity) and toothless clauses. Pilots are great at flying, **** at producing enforceable contracts. Lawyer up ALPA.


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